I completely agree that if Sai Baba has made the abuses of power he is accused of, then he deserves to be exposed. I have long sought good close-up footage of Sai handing out vibhuti, and today I have been able to study a variety of video clips, and I am very glad for this opportunity. Many thanks to whoever obtained this data and made it available!
--- In [email protected], new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A red flag for "spin" goes up, perhaps undjusifiably so, for > statements like " already known for their involvement in trying to > bring about the public ridicule of another prominent Indian." > > On the surface, he sounds like quite the rogue. On second thought, do > all prominent indians deserve shielding if they have done some > un-noble things? Is someone known for their involvement in trying to > bring about the public exposure of such un-nobles necessarily a bad > person? > > If it was Conny Larsson, collecting mail for Linda Williams Pierce - - > who is apparently quite sick and may have others hadling her mail -- > then perhaps that is quite a noble thing. Apparently Conny directly > witnessed (and experienced?) abuses by Sai Baba -- and is dedicating a > lot of time and resources to education others about the potential > downside of involment with SB. Not a bad thing, is it? > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul Mason" <premanandpaul@> > wrote: > > > > I do not enter the suspicion of a conspiracy theory lightly, but > > whilst trying to contact one of the women I found my email to her > > being answered by someone already known for their involvement in > > trying to bring about the public ridicule of another prominent Indian. > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], new.morning <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul Mason" <premanandpaul@> > > > wrote: > > > > ... and the stories have sounded no more clear as time has gone > > > > on. > > > > > > To me, and this is not universal, I knew or was on courses with most > > > of the people in SS. To me, most were credible as people. Different > > > than say, if SS were written by strangers, or worse, the top 10 > > > posters on FFL. And SS collaborated explicit things I had heard 25 > > > years earlier. Thus, SS files was perhaps more credible for me than > > > for you. > > > > > > > Now to assume MMY's 'guilt' on the basis of third-hand material > > > > is very faulty. > > > > > > Its odd, to me, how people wrap "extra stuff" around more simple > > > events. "Guilt" ? I know you use the term loosely, but there is no > > i) > > > legal, and most would argue no ii) moral crime here. It may be an > > iii) > > > ethical abuse (younger women) but I don't buy that. Jennifer was, > > > based on her attendance at my TTC the year before, and appearances, > > > probably 23-24 at the time of her "reading mail" to MMY. (Though she > > > was was probably not mistaken as 'the chosen one' as Tom apparently > > > thought he was). > > > > > > And she, while graceful and refined, IMO, is not someone I would > > have > > > termed as sheltered or naive. Demure perhaps. Adults do things, are > > > responsible for their choices -- even if they regret them later, > > and > > > are ill-effected by them. > > > > > > Perhaps it was iv) an abuse of power -- teacher / student -- I have > > > argued that in the past -- but have recanted some. When pants are > > > down, or dhotis and dresses on the floor, power dynamics may > > diminish > > > -- or reverse, wobble, and occilate -- who has power over whom when > > > nakedness befalls? > > > > > > So who (what crazy bastards :) ) is "assuming guilt" when, at least > > > IMO, guilt is a non-issue? A more corect rendering of your sentence > > > would be, IMO, " Now to assume the truth of the allegations on the > > > basis of third-hand material is very faulty. " > > > > > > Well, even then, there is a case being made by SS, see my comments > > > above on credible sources. But more importantly, even with credible > > > sources, i don't have terribly strong opinions that the stories are > > > true or not. I look at it, as many of the uncertainties in life, > > > probabilistically. > > > > > > Much more importantly, i don't have strong reactions one way or > > > another if SS is true or not. To me, the impact of the stories being > > > true is not large for me. I figure a yogi knows something more than > > me > > > about energy flows. And its his business. And even if not, i don't > > > walk out on other teachers and mentors because they banged a 24- yr > > old > > > attractive blonde. For some, I actually silently applaud. > > > > > > > So for me the problem I have with the 'Sexy Sadie' file is not > > about > > > > whether it has been published, just that it does not 'scan' well. > > > > > > Thats not a universal problem, thats a problem you have with them. > > > > > > > In > > > > fact many years ago I had the same feeling about Erik Von > > Daniken's > > > > books, and then I watched a documentary which took his claims > > apart ... > > > > > > So you have a history of problems in this area. > > > "very interesting..." :) > > > > > > > In the case of the allegations about MMYs sexuality it is not > > that I > > > > disbelieve all the claims made, > > > > > > Ok, a shift in positions? > > > > > > > just that I doubt MMY ever had actual > > > > sexual intercourse with a woman (however close he might have > > come). > > > > > > OK. So if he, naked, was about to have intercourse with a naked > > > willing 24-yrold participant, but didn't -- is that a huge > > distinction > > > for you compared to if he did? > > > > > > > Actually, for the record, I suspect > > > > > > "I suspect" are key words. Pure opinion, no fact. Much less > > persuasive > > > than the SS files. > > > > > > > that most if not all the material > > > > currently circulating about MMYs alleged sexuality has been put > > about > > > > solely to discredit MMY, > > > > > > haha. i smell a conspiracy theory. > > > > > > And your suspicions have little basis in the actual history of the > > > genesis of the files. > > > > > > > simple as that, a rather ramshackle attempt > > > > at cocking a snoot at him, rather than an orchestrated attack, > > but > > > > perhaps a mixture of both. > > > > > > Any other possblities? > > > > > > Perhaps to share information one found interesting? > > > > > > Perhaps to provide some material, which along wit h so much other > > > material, experiences, knowledge, allows others to make up their > > minds > > > on things? > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! 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