I can't help but wonder,,,When does aggressive marketing and cavalier scientific study practises cross the line and become an active attempt to de-fraud and thus become a crimminal activitiy on an "organised level'.
--- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "They don't do > this because the purpose of the the ME is political, > not scientific. It is bandied about not in the spirit > of understanding, but solely to promote TM. That's all > MMY wanted to use it for, which is fine, but let's > stop pretending we're interested in it for scientific > reasons." > > > Nicely stated. Other spiritual groups just state their beliefs and if > you want to join you know what you are getting into. Religions > operate this way also and it has a certain integrity. TM's > presentation has always had a slippery element. > Maybe MMY's desire to have a huge mainstream movement was his > downfall. I notice in your posts, Peter, a spiritual primacy of > consciousness over matter perspective that doesn't try to be anything > else. I don't always share the perspective, but I know where you > stand and I can learn a different view. It has integrity. TM's > presentation tried to be everything to everybody and ended up being a > pseudo materialistic spirituality. I think low movement numbers > reflect this lack of the movement knowing what it is. The pompous and > ridiculous Rajas are the perfect symbol of this lack of identity > integrity. Rich guys in gold party hats. Visual poetic justice! > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Peter <drpetersutphen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- "Bill (William)Simmons" <unclewas@> > > wrote: > > > > > Of course the larger the number the better in > > > studies worth any > > > serious consideration. > > > > > > However, > > > > > > Fairfield itself offers an amazing case study. > > > Because of the length > > > of time factor of the study group. > > > > > > 1. There would have been a crime rate prior to TM's > > > introduction into > > > the community and should be verifable through past > > > public/police/court records. > > > > > > 2. Then the introduction of TM and its organization > > > to the community. > > > > > > 3. And a 30 year study period in which the crime > > > rate could be > > > tracted along with the steady growth of practising > > > meditators. > > > > > > To my way of thinking. Thirty years of meditations > > > by a steadily > > > increasing population of meditators (far exceeding > > > the 1% cl;aimed > > > necessary to reverse rising crime rates) must result > > > in a reduction > > > in Fairfield's crime rates or the whole ME therory > > > is disproved. > > > > > > Has Fairfield itself ever been the subject of such a > > > study. If > > > not,,,why not!!! How many crimminal offenses were > > > reported in > > > Fairfield in the year TM meditators began in > > > Fairfield and how many > > > reported offenses occured say last year? The trends > > > should point to > > > a declining crime rate given the significant number > > > of meditators in > > > the community. > > > > Based on the theory of the ME you are absolutely > > correct. If the TMO/MUM was serious about > > understanding the field effects of consciousness they > > would have to understand why the ME does not appear to > > work in Fairfield and expand the ME theory to > > integrate this apparent contradiction. They don't do > > this because the purpose of the the ME is political, > > not scientific. It is bandied about not in the spirit > > of understanding, but solely to promote TM. That's all > > MMY wanted to use it for, which is fine, but let's > > stop pretending we're interested in it for scientific > > reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
