--- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
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> --- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > Exactly the map is different than the territory. The
> > barest of
> > information, enough to quide and inspire. How else
> > can the non-dual
> > descriptions be reconciled with what MMY says. He
> > left much out by
> > necessity, and for other reasons, and many still
> > accept the map as the
> > territory. Many don't anymore.
>
> Another point to add is that the map was initially
> comprehanded in waking state with all the implicit
> waking state limitations that one is necessarily
> oblivious to in waking state. Then there is a certain
> experience of Realization (stable or not) and the
> waking state map fits to a certain extent but not
> perfectly. Other traditions/gurus can offer conceptual
> tools that help make sense out of the experience.
> Buddha's and Adi Shankara's enlightenment are the
> same, but they articulate it in different ways. In my
> own experience I have found Buddha, initially, and
> later Ramana Maharishi (and Gangaji) extremely helpful
> in understanding what's going on. SSRS is there to
> carrot and stick me!
>

The same folks for me along with Nasargardatta, Wilber, Merrill-Wolfe,
Atma-Boda (Shankara) and others. Then I went back and listened to
all of Maharishi's audio tapes (that I had in the Blue Cases) to see if
he
covered the   dualistic <-> nondual misconceptions. He did, but only
briefly.


JohnY







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