--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > <jflanegi@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning > > <no_reply@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You are getting sucked into the conventional > > wisdom regarding > > > how to > > > > > measure stuff like consciousness. > > > > > > > > i am not getting sucked into anything. I have > > not stated my > > > views. > > > > > > > > I am simply pointing out that the TMO and MMY > > has a cleary > > > different > > > > view than you on the physiological correlates of > > higher states, and > > > > what those higher states are -- and their > > manifest attributes in > > > the > > > > physiology of the liberated one. > > > > > > MMY also? Are you sure of that? > > > > > > > > While each state of awareness is > > > > > physiologically distinct, I am not convinced > > each can be > > > measured by > > > > > today's scientific instruments. > > > > > > > > Clearly you are not. MMY and the TMO clearly > > are. > > > > > > Again, MMY also? You cannot prove that. Her > > appears to converge > > > towards the instruments, but has never stated > > unequivocally that > > > higher states can be measured with today's > > instruments. > > > > > > > > > > Don't know about "today's instruments, but Fred T. > > seems to believe that there are some > > clearcut physical changes that can be measured, and > > that these changes explain things > > pretty nicely. Here's the clearest statement by MMY > > that I am aware of concerning this > > topic . I found it as a quote in one of the early > > SIMS/IMS publications: > > > > > > Spiritual and Material Values > > > > "Every experience has its level of physiology, and > > so unbounded awareness > > has its own level of physiology which can be > > measured. Every aspect of life > > is integrated and connected with every other phase. > > When we talk of > > scientific measurements, it does not take away from > > the spiritual > > experience. We are not responsible for those times > > when spiritual experience > > was thought of as metaphysical. Everything is > > physical. Consciousness is the > > product of the functioning of the brain. Talking of > > scientific measurements > > is no damage to that wholeness of life which is > > present everywhere and which > > begins to be lived when the physiology is taking on > > a particular form. This > > is our understanding about spirituality: it is not > > on the level of > > faith --it is on the level of blood and bone and > > flesh and activity. It is > > measurable." > > > > -Maharishi Mahesh Yogi > > > > > > What is fun is that you can actually SEE the > > possible correlation between MMY's description > > "Every aspect of life is integrated and connected > > with every other phase," and what is > > found in standard physiology textbooks. If Fred is > > correct about the thalamus issue, then > > the normal waking/dreamingfunctioning where sensory > > input of some kind is always going > > on has been sidestepped--literally. There are an > > amzing number of connections in the > > brain between virtually all parts of the brain, but > > the activity of these connections may well > > be secondary to sensory input--except during > > samadhi/TC. Here's a standard diagram > > showing a few of the main connections of the parts > > of the brain, aside from the sense- > > related ones: > > > > http://www.bartleby.com/107/illus751.html > > > > In samadhi "every aspect of life is integrated and > > connected with every other phase..." > > > > In CC, this is integrated with normal awareness. > > This is an asinine comment, but it is an extremely > complex subject! It's not as simple as it first > appears. >
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