Does anyone have a copy of the photograph that t3rinity is referring to? It is to the left of MMY on page 53 of 'Thirty Years Around the World'. It looks like the photo that the puja portrait was painted from. An in-transit picture is at:- http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/GuidingLight.htm
--- In [email protected], "Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Vision of Guru Dev by MMY? Never heard it before today. > Never heard of him 'painting a picture' before, unless you mean > colouring a photograph which you mentioned over on the googlegroup > many many months back, as I recall. > > --- In [email protected], t3rinity <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], t3rinity <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > He took GD's advice for himself... > > > > > > > > > > Uh, excuse me...it seems to me that Maharishi did > > > > > the *opposite* of taking Guru Dev's advice. According > > > > > to witnesses, that advice, given directly to Maharishi > > > > > in public while Guru Dev was alive, was that he should > > > > > *not* teach. Yet within a few years of Guru Dev's death, > > > > > there he was teaching. That doesn't strike me as > > > > > following one's teacher's advice. > > > > > > > > I was talking about the advice of the vision. > > > > > > No, you are talking about the advice of the *supposed* > > > vision. There has never been, nor will there ever be, > > > any evidence that such a vision ever happened. > > > > > > I'm just making this point because you seem to believe > > > that because you believe in this "vision" it's a done > > > deal, and that it really happened. I make no such > > > assumption. I spent 14 years in the TM movement with- > > > out hearing *any* reference to such a vision before > > > you wrote about it a couple of posts ago. > > > > Thats because you are basically dump. > > > > > > He took this advice for himself and not for others. > > > > > > If it happened. Again, I've never heard such a story > > > in all my years. If I had, unlike you I probably > > > wouldn't have believed it. > > > > > > Nitpick all you want about the so-called "differences" > > > you perceive between one person claiming to have had > > > a vision and another. Bottom line is that anyone can > > > claim anything they bloody well want to about "visions," > > > and there is nothing that *anyone* can *ever* do to > > > prove them either true or false. It's ALL a matter of > > > belief. > > > > > > In this particular case, you seem to have heard and > > > chosen to believe a rumor THAT IS NOT EVEN MOVEMENT > > > DOGMA. I never heard such a story, and I'd be willing > > > to believe that many others here haven't, either. > > > > See, I have friends in India, who visisted this couple MMY was > staying > > with, when he had the vision. In fact, he painted a picture of GD > > after having the vision. MMY is shown in the history book with this > > particular picture, its on page 53. That you didn't hear it is not > my > > fault. What I don't understand: Is there any injunction here on the > > list, to only repeat movement dogma (PS caps are considered shouting > > and impolite) > > > > > You did hear such a story, from somewhere, and because > > > you're just a bowl of mush, bhakti-speaking, you chose > > > to believe it. As I said, I probably wouldn't have. > > > > I heard the story from a friend who visited this couple. Seems to > > really upset you. > > > > > <snip> > > > > When he [MMY] started in Kerala, he was surrounded by > > > > orthodox Brahmins, and it seems he easily convinced them. > > > > > > He convinced you, and all you did was hear a rumor > > > that isn't even an established part of the TM teachings. :-) > > > > So what? > > > > > > <snip> > > > > If there is anything like 'good' or 'bad' at all. My point is: > its > > > > always a personal thing. Why bother about the personal decision > of > > > > others, and try to convince them they were wrong, Barry? > > > > > > We've gone down this road before. I am NOT trying to > > > convince you of anything. That's just how you *interpret* > > > hearing ideas other than your own, as if the person who > > > has those other ideas is trying to convince you of them. > > > They're not. You're just being a paranoid cultist, > > > that's all. :-) > > > > So, Barry, you are really a nice guy. Isn't this forum open to all > for > > public discussion? Yet you go out of your frame constantly. Saying: > > 'Fuck off and die' claiming this to be just a nice american idiom. > And > > then giving me additional advice, that you just wanted me to > > contemplete inevitable death. OTOH you are so very concerned about > the > > threats of fundamentalists, whose threats should be taken seriously > > and who are just 'scary'. Want a little advice from me: This is a > real > > good opportunity to contemplate inevitable death. > > > > And because I believe something a friend tells me from an > eyewitness, > > I am a cultist, and paranoid at that. Barry, go figure. Why is it > that > > one can talk nicely and politely with other people, but not with > you? > > And here you go again sending me forth. Hey, use a spam filter. To > me > > you come across very faint-hearted and intolerant. > > > > > I leave you to be paranoid all by yourself, and to > > > believe any rumors you hear. Go forth and multiply. :-) > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
