--- In [email protected], "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul Mason" <premanandpaul@> > wrote: > > > > Does anyone have a copy of the photograph that t3rinity is referring > > to? It is to the left of MMY on page 53 of 'Thirty Years Around the > > World'. It looks like the photo that the puja portrait was painted > > from. An in-transit picture is at:- > > http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/GuidingLight.htm > > I thought that the puju portrait was painted by Dr. Varma , > Maharishi's uncle. > > JohnY
That is what I read. I thing it was said in book of Else Denmark?? She was in Rishikesh when Dr. Varma was working with the picture. Unfortunately, I have given away almost all books of MMY - so I am not able to control it. Ingegerd> > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul Mason" > > premanandpaul@ wrote: > > > > > > Vision of Guru Dev by MMY? Never heard it before today. > > > Never heard of him 'painting a picture' before, unless you mean > > > colouring a photograph which you mentioned over on the googlegroup > > > many many months back, as I recall. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], t3rinity <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], t3rinity <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He took GD's advice for himself... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uh, excuse me...it seems to me that Maharishi did > > > > > > > the *opposite* of taking Guru Dev's advice. According > > > > > > > to witnesses, that advice, given directly to Maharishi > > > > > > > in public while Guru Dev was alive, was that he should > > > > > > > *not* teach. Yet within a few years of Guru Dev's death, > > > > > > > there he was teaching. That doesn't strike me as > > > > > > > following one's teacher's advice. > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking about the advice of the vision. > > > > > > > > > > No, you are talking about the advice of the *supposed* > > > > > vision. There has never been, nor will there ever be, > > > > > any evidence that such a vision ever happened. > > > > > > > > > > I'm just making this point because you seem to believe > > > > > that because you believe in this "vision" it's a done > > > > > deal, and that it really happened. I make no such > > > > > assumption. I spent 14 years in the TM movement with- > > > > > out hearing *any* reference to such a vision before > > > > > you wrote about it a couple of posts ago. > > > > > > > > Thats because you are basically dump. > > > > > > > > > > He took this advice for himself and not for others. > > > > > > > > > > If it happened. Again, I've never heard such a story > > > > > in all my years. If I had, unlike you I probably > > > > > wouldn't have believed it. > > > > > > > > > > Nitpick all you want about the so-called "differences" > > > > > you perceive between one person claiming to have had > > > > > a vision and another. Bottom line is that anyone can > > > > > claim anything they bloody well want to about "visions," > > > > > and there is nothing that *anyone* can *ever* do to > > > > > prove them either true or false. It's ALL a matter of > > > > > belief. > > > > > > > > > > In this particular case, you seem to have heard and > > > > > chosen to believe a rumor THAT IS NOT EVEN MOVEMENT > > > > > DOGMA. I never heard such a story, and I'd be willing > > > > > to believe that many others here haven't, either. > > > > > > > > See, I have friends in India, who visisted this couple MMY was > > > staying > > > > with, when he had the vision. In fact, he painted a picture of GD > > > > after having the vision. MMY is shown in the history book with > > this > > > > particular picture, its on page 53. That you didn't hear it is > > not > > > my > > > > fault. What I don't understand: Is there any injunction here on > > the > > > > list, to only repeat movement dogma (PS caps are considered > > shouting > > > > and impolite) > > > > > > > > > You did hear such a story, from somewhere, and because > > > > > you're just a bowl of mush, bhakti-speaking, you chose > > > > > to believe it. As I said, I probably wouldn't have. > > > > > > > > I heard the story from a friend who visited this couple. Seems to > > > > really upset you. > > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > When he [MMY] started in Kerala, he was surrounded by > > > > > > orthodox Brahmins, and it seems he easily convinced them. > > > > > > > > > > He convinced you, and all you did was hear a rumor > > > > > that isn't even an established part of the TM teachings. :- ) > > > > > > > > So what? > > > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > If there is anything like 'good' or 'bad' at all. My point > > is: > > > its > > > > > > always a personal thing. Why bother about the personal > > decision > > > of > > > > > > others, and try to convince them they were wrong, Barry? > > > > > > > > > > We've gone down this road before. I am NOT trying to > > > > > convince you of anything. That's just how you *interpret* > > > > > hearing ideas other than your own, as if the person who > > > > > has those other ideas is trying to convince you of them. > > > > > They're not. You're just being a paranoid cultist, > > > > > that's all. :-) > > > > > > > > So, Barry, you are really a nice guy. Isn't this forum open to > > all > > > for > > > > public discussion? Yet you go out of your frame constantly. > > Saying: > > > > 'Fuck off and die' claiming this to be just a nice american > > idiom. > > > And > > > > then giving me additional advice, that you just wanted me to > > > > contemplete inevitable death. OTOH you are so very concerned > > about > > > the > > > > threats of fundamentalists, whose threats should be taken > > seriously > > > > and who are just 'scary'. Want a little advice from me: This is a > > > real > > > > good opportunity to contemplate inevitable death. > > > > > > > > And because I believe something a friend tells me from an > > > eyewitness, > > > > I am a cultist, and paranoid at that. Barry, go figure. Why is it > > > that > > > > one can talk nicely and politely with other people, but not with > > > you? > > > > And here you go again sending me forth. Hey, use a spam filter. > > To > > > me > > > > you come across very faint-hearted and intolerant. > > > > > > > > > I leave you to be paranoid all by yourself, and to > > > > > believe any rumors you hear. Go forth and multiply. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
