--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> " Neiheryou nor she apparently ever considered the fact (now proveable
> beyond doubt by 
> > Fred's latest reesearch) that TM-induced "pure consciousness" is not
> merely an altered 
> > state of consciousness. But oh well. Keep your anti-stuff going if
> it makes you happy."
> So what term would you prefer to represent our own point of view on
> these states?  I didn't know that there was any universal scientific
> consensus on the terms yet. I think in this area of very new science
> there is a lot of room for differences of opinions on what these
> states mean or what we should call them.  Margret was viewing it from
> her clinical experiences with ex TMers.  That was her opinion.
> I am comfortable referring to them as trance states because I think
> they are hypnotically induced. That is my conclusion from my own
> experience with TM and hypnosis training in the style of Milton
> Erickson whose expertise I respected.  My position is no more
> characterized as "anti stuff" then your point of view is.  We are both
> doing the best we can to interpret our experiences honestly, right?  
>  It is my best understanding of the experience.  I respect that this
> is not how you view it. 

Wellll... Short answer: there's no consistent physiological changes found in 
subjects while there is with TMers.

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