> Wellll... Short answer: there's no consistent physiological changes found in hypnotic > subjects while there is with TMers.
I wonder if the hypnotic subjects you are talking about practiced it as consistently as the TM group. What type of hypnotic technique was used? As you may know, there are as many hypnotic techniques as there are types of mediation. Calling one subject a hypnotic subject is like using a generic meditator in place of a TM meditator. Perhaps the TM form of self-hypnosis does show consistent physiological changes. That doesn't prove that it is a different state, it may be a subset of the broader trance phenomenon. MMY calls the TM induced states "higher states". I think this is marketing hype with no evidence of "higher" anything in its practicers with the exception of some who seem to have induced inflated self-regard. I am glad there are people researching this stuff. There is a lot of room for different points of view. I suspect that I chose my own view after a more rigorous test of the uniqueness of TM states in the movement than you have with hypnosis. If you were trained in Ericksonian hypnosis you might change your mind. You have the choice to study it, or not. --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > " Neiheryou nor she apparently ever considered the fact (now proveable > > beyond doubt by > > > Fred's latest reesearch) that TM-induced "pure consciousness" is not > > merely an altered > > > state of consciousness. But oh well. Keep your anti-stuff going if > > it makes you happy." > > > > So what term would you prefer to represent our own point of view on > > these states? I didn't know that there was any universal scientific > > consensus on the terms yet. I think in this area of very new science > > there is a lot of room for differences of opinions on what these > > states mean or what we should call them. Margret was viewing it from > > her clinical experiences with ex TMers. That was her opinion. > > > > I am comfortable referring to them as trance states because I think > > they are hypnotically induced. That is my conclusion from my own > > experience with TM and hypnosis training in the style of Milton > > Erickson whose expertise I respected. My position is no more > > characterized as "anti stuff" then your point of view is. We are both > > doing the best we can to interpret our experiences honestly, right? > > It is my best understanding of the experience. I respect that this > > is not how you view it. > > > > Wellll... Short answer: there's no consistent physiological changes found in hypnotic > subjects while there is with TMers. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
