--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Oct 23, 2006, at 9:33 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], Bhairitu <noozguru@> wrote: > >> > >> sparaig wrote: > >>> --- In [email protected], Bhairitu <noozguru@> wrote: > >>> > >>>> suziezuzie wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=3gT8wopZJNQ > >>>>> > >>>> About any form of meditation will do that. Shiva mantras are > >>>> safer for > >>>> kids. They should also look into the ayurvedic connection > >>>> because they > >>>> are correcting a physical imbalance in the first place. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> Actually, NOT any form of meditation does that.Tibetan Nyingmapa > >>> and Kagyupa > > meditation > >>> techniques have a radically different affect on subjects as > >>> measured EEG and brain > > imaging. > >>> Restful alertness ala TM is quite different than whatever is > >>> happening during those > >>> techniques. Also, thalamic activity during those techniques goes > >>> UP rather than down, > > as it > >>> does during TM. > >>> > >>> > >> "About" was the operative word. > >>> What long-term differences might be found in ADHD patients who > >>> practice those > > techniques > >>> as compared to TMers isn't known. The data on ADHD and TM are > >>> still being > > evaluated and I > >>> haven't heard of any studies on the Buddhist techniques and ADHD.. > >>> > >>> I understand the data from the first few months has been > >>> submitted for publication > > while the > >>> data from the followup study is being evaluated right now. > >>> > >> What I'm thinking without bringing the doshas into balance after a > >> while > >> the nervous system would just become somewhat immune to the > >> meditation > >> and it wouldn't help as much. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > That goes completely against both common sense and experience: the > > more stressful you > > are, the more noticable the effects of TM are. That doesn't mean > > that bringing the doshas > > into balance isn't a good thing, just that someone who is already > > balanced doesn't > > perceive as much benefit from TM as someone who is waaaay out of > > balance. > > There's an interesting quote in Alan Wallace's new book that probably > is describing TM and jives with many experiences as to why it does > not remove obsessions, etc., but may actually increase them, and thus > suffering of self and others: >
I see, so TM increases OCD issues? > "Many of us let compulsive thoughts dominate our minds. These won't > stop overnight, but as we engage in Shamatha practice, both during > and between sessions, it is important to observe the minds activities > and restrain it when it falls into thought patterns that aggravate > mental disturbances. Otherwise, we'll be like the cat that thrashes > around on the surface of the pond, never free from the turbulence of > our own minds. > > The Indian sage Atisha wrote of the importance of these prerequisites: > > As long as the prerequisites for shamatha [samadhi] > Are incomplete, meditative stabilization > Will not be accomplished, even if you meditate > Strenuously for thousands of years. > MMY (and me) would respond that of course you're not going to get anywhere if you strenuously meditate for thousands of years... > In our material society, even for people that are drawn to non- > materialistic values, there's a strong tendency to take our current > way of life as the norm, and then to add meditation to fix it, like a > band-aid applied to a festering wound. My first experience with > meditation in the late 60's is a good example. I went to a teacher > who gave me a mantra and told me how to meditate on it, but in these > instructions there was no reference for the way I was supposed to > lead the rest of my life. Even now, decades later, meditation is > often taught with little of no reference to the above prerequisites. > It has been reduced to a kind of first aid to alleviate the symptoms > of a dysfunctional life, with all its anxieties, depression, > frustration and emotional vacillations. For a mind that is assaulted > with a myriad of mental afflictions such as craving, hostility, and > delusion, we need more than a medic. We need long-term, intensive > care.That's what this training is all about." Heh. TM is the ultimate "self-modifying" technique as a counselor of mine once put it. Anyone who sees the above as a warning against TM rather than as a warning against one's own preceonceived ideas about what TM is, well, doesn't get TM... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
