--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "hugheshugo" > <richardhughes103@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "hugheshugo" > > > <richardhughes103@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Rick Archer <groups@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > More cogently, we have to ask whether the research approach is > > > > > really appropriate to the subject. Are brainwave measurements, > > > > > no matter how sophisticated, really indicative of the > > > > > operation or qualities of consciousness? > > > > > > > > Of course they are, consciousness is a quality of the brain > > > > therefore measuring the brainwaves gives us at least an idea of > > > > what's going on. > > > > > > Whenever I hear something like this, I find myself > > > wondering whether everyone who says it has completely > > > forgotten the Bardo experience, between death and > > > rebirth. Consciousness doesn't stop. It's there while > > > the body is lying dead in its coffin and the brain is > > > no longer functioning, and its there long after the > > > body has been reduced to ashes in the crematorium. > > > So what part of that consciousness do you believe > > > is based on your physical brain? > > > > What part of ME isn't based on my physical brain? > > Do you believe in reincarnation? I'm asking because > many (if not most) TMers do, yet still believe in > the "the brain is me" theory. > > > Memories are held there, moods, emotions have their seat > > in hormonal functioning. > > Do you believe in karma, and in samskaras (with their > accompanying moods and emotions) that carry over from > one lifetime to another? I'm asking because many (if > not most) TMers do. Where exactly are these things > "stored" when your brain in one body/lifetime dies? > > > It sounds depressingly clinical but it's all easily demonstrated. > > To those who ignore the questions posed above, or whose > world view does not encompass reincarnation. > > > To me reincarnation is an idea that raises more questions than it > > answers, Why don't we remember past lives? > > Many of us do. And almost without exception, those of > us who do would say that remembering them is of no > more value than remembering last week. > > Nor is it of any *less* value. If you are able to > remember last week, and the way you became angry in > traffic and fucked up the rest of your day as a > result, you can possibly avoid becoming angry the > next time some idiot cuts you off and almost causes > an accident. Same with remembering past lives. The > value of the memory is the use you put it to. > > I *do* understand the position of those for whom > memories of past lives, or of the Bardo between lives > are not a part of their subjective experience. If that > has been your experience (or if that marks the limits > of your experience so far), then it makes sense to believe > that the brain is "me." But if one *does* have access > to such memories, and lives with them as a daily reality, > the "the brain is me" theory doesn't work, because it > doesn't cover experiences that we can *remember*. > > Similarly, if one believes strongly in reincarnation > because it makes sense to them philosophically, and > *still* believes in the "the brain is me" theory, then > I might suggest that one has not sufficiently explored > the implications of their belief system. > > I tend to believe that the human brain is merely the > mechanism *through which* one accesses the *real* place > that memories are stored. When the brain dies, that > "place" is still present, and can be accessed (through > the mechanism of a new brain) in future lives. It's > just a theory, but so is "the brain is me." :-) >
I just spent half an hour typing a reply to this but my computer crashed when I pressed send, is that Karma? But no I don't believe in reincarnation, I haven't had any past-life experiences myself yet but I would require that they stand up to scrutiny, I wouldn't be happy with any of the wishy washy new-age stuff some of my friends report, they may get comfort from it but "me and my girlfriend met before in my red indian teepee" convinces me not a lot. I would question any PL experiences I had because I've read a lot of books on the subject mostly involving hypnosis. While fascinating there isn't much that can't be explained by the mind creating instantaneous and elaborate worlds simply because it's been asked too. That is what it does under hypnosis, some of it is fascinating and defies easy explanation, but is it reincarnation? or perhaps genetic memory or even telepathy. My jury is still out. Same with Karma, to me life is just all the shit that happens, why look for deeper meaning? too easy to pass the blame on. But then I know people who have had experiences where they have seen the wheel of Karma and how everything fits together. Not me though, is it my level of evolution? or, as I suspect do we have experiences according to our beliefs? By the way I am an "experiencer" in meditation and I trust they are real experiences, I just don't trust other peoples explanations. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
