Comments interleaved below.

--- Vaj wrote:
> 
> Gillam wrote:
> >
> > do vedic traditions say a bija deity demands a
> > vig on each transaction?
> 
> I'm not sure what you mean by "vig" or if misspelt, what you mean.  

A "vig" is a vigorish, of fee. I used that slang term 
because this thread had formed a mental picture 
of a bija deity granting a boon in exchange for 
some energy in return.

My doctor remarked that the problem with any Indian 
meditation was this tit-for-tat exchange. I was 
wondering if there was any basis in his remarks.

I recall one of the Kaplans accusing Maharishi of sucking
energy from his meditators, but dismissed it as a rant. Still,
the accusation comes to mind again in the context of this thread.

> The TM mantras are NOT Vedic, this is just TMO misinformation. The TM  
> mantras are tantric. They should give you energy, not take it away.

Thanks for once again making the distinction, and yes, 
more energy has been my experience.
  
> A tantric might also argue that before you use such a mantra, you have  
> to "prepare the field" by a process called bhuta-shuddhi or  
> purification of the elements. Doing mantra japa without it can  
> exacerbate imbalances.

Yeah, and driving to the store can get you killed. I'm 
glad MMY didn't insist I do pranayam for six months 
before I could learn to meditate, which was the case 
for a neighbor doing some other practice.




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