Spraig: "> Sigh, talk about projecting western ideas. The devas are NOT gods in the western sense of the word. They are anthromorphisms of laws of nature."
Me: MMY has never denied the more anthropomorphic view of the gods and devas contained in the Hindu scriptures. I sat with him as he waved flowers and made offerings to pictures of Goddesses while using terms like "I bow down to the glorious...", a phrase that is also invoked when riding on the back of a deva back to its source, according to MMY describing TM. If you want to ascribe some scientific value to making offerings to statues and pictures then you have a little work to do in the proof area. The analogies made by movement scientists between modern scientific concepts and Vedic Gods are just that, analogies. That is not proof that any of these concepts are actually descriptions of the laws of nature. It is the imposition of our country's values onto a cultural tradition of India. And the reason it is being imposed is laid out in the Science of Being by MMY, marketing to the West. This view that somehow Indian culture thousands of years ago was uniquely brilliant, so that its scriptures are the most capable in the world to instruct man about how nature works in detail, is just Indio-centric bragging by MMY. At the same time Indians were cooking up their religious ideas they were also waring with each other. The Aryans dominated the Dravidians and incorporated their pantheon into there own. So which culture was the one who knew all about how nature worked, the Dravidians lingum worshipers or the Arayan's Krishna worshipers? Or were both cultures equally brilliant? And how about the Greek gods and the Egyptian gods, where they just describing laws of nature or are you buying into the "India is unequally gifted" nonsense of an Indian man? There is much wisdom in the world's scriptures, especially concerning human nature, but it is also full of a lot of nonsense that we have sorted out since they were written. None of the scriptures East or West take a stand against slavery, although we have decided that this practice is wrong. Both Eastern and Western scriptures are full of mysonginistic and racist nonsense, so lets not get carried away about what they "really" represent. The gods of the Hindu religion act in the same capricious ways as the stories of gods in other cultures. It is all fascinating stuff, and part of our human heritage, but it is not some magic guide book for how the world works. It is insulting to other culture's mythologies to suggest that India is so special in their deep insight into nature. MMY is a product of his Indio-centric culture. His vision of world peace involves the world accepting the superiority of his religious views. This religious arrogance, which is so common all over the world, is a major cause of man's problems achieving world peace. A bunch of waring tribes, all claiming to have the best version of the God idea. So you are buying into that by supporting MMY's ethnocentric view that his gods are really describing how the world actually works and everybody else's gods are just a part of mythology? --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "Rick Archer" <groups@> wrote: > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of Patrick Gillam > > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 9:48 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Three things I heard > > > > 3. My chiropractor uses muscle testing to > > rank the efficacy of a given supplement or > > program on a scale of 10, 10 being worth > > doing and anything less being a waste of > > time. I finally asked him to rank TM for me. > > He said it's a seven on the plus side, with a > > "negative three aspect." This notion of a > > negative aspect was new to me. When I > > asked what it meant, he said TM's mantras > > are Hindu gods that sap some energy from > > people using the mantras, hence the user > > gets some good but pays some price. He > > said just about any Indian practice is going > > to have this characteristic. My doctor said > > last year TM had a negative two aspect, but > > lately the price of practice is going up - the > > mantras are taking more from their users. > > > > > > > > I'm absorbed in setting up a new computer this weekend, transferring > > everything from my Mac and old PC. Big job. But this point caught my eye. > > The Kaplan letter sort of made this point, but referred to some sort of > > astral energy suckers that MMY allegedly employed. A friend of mine has been > > telling me this. I think she gets her ideas from David Icke. I see that some > > discussion has ensued since you posted this and I'll check it out, but if it > > hasn't been discussed, I'd be interested in people's thoughts on this point. > > Is meditation using a mantra associated with a "Hindu god" a sort of cosmic > > MLM program, where you get something in exchange for enriching those in your > > upline? If gods are sapping energy, why does meditation make one more > > energetic? Is it that the meditator and the god collaborate (by the > > meditator using the god's name in his mantra) and thus accomplish something > > neither could accomplish on their own? If so, is the god taking the > > meditator's energy, or is the meditator serving as a conduit enabling both > > to draw from an inexhaustible energy source? The Gita calls meditation a > > yagya, and mentions that through yagya, you support the gods and they > > support you. > > > > Sigh, talk about projecting western ideas. The devas are NOT gods in the western sense of > the word. They are anthromorphisms of laws of nature. According to the more > sophisticated forms of hinduism, one can influence their activity by performing the proper > rituals like yagyas or by using their bija mantras during TM practice (dhyan) but they are > NOT gods ala the Greek Zeus and so on. > > They have no free will available to them beyond the ability to incarnate as living creatures > (we were once all Indra, to paraphrase an old story) and without the proper rituals, they > are completely predictable using western scientific means. The stories of their romantic > relationships are allegorical and are supposed to describe their relationship with other > laws of nature. > > Think of the devas as being the Q ala star trek but less whimsical. I feel odd saying that > since the Q are actually the star trek presentation of the hindu devas, but oh well... > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
