After finding out that African American really had no place in vedic culture. I reverted back to my African Heritage. Since my family on my mother's side at least part of it originates in the Caribbean it is safe to say that the west African region is has some influence in my family history.
This being said I reverted back to Yoruba Tradition. There I found IFA, IFA is the cognition of creation as recorded by Orumila. Where in one system there was Vyasa in Yoruba Ifa Orumila. In IFA there is knowledge of all aspects of human existence and nature, all cosmology the whole works. ONly IFA is not as defined or I dare say understood as the VED. But one thing in common is the understanding of man in relation to the laws of nature. Also the understanding that even rocks have nervous systems. So in the yoruba system they believe that a rock can be enlivened with the spirit of a specific entity.
The other part of my mother's family is native american so I also studied some native american tradition. The native Aemricans believed that certain rocks hold the vibration and transmit information of the ancesters. SO in one tradition we inbibe rocks and the other we cook them and worship them for who the respresnetation of the ancestors.
Different Entities have different rocks because different rocks have different vibrations. So for Shango god of Fire similar to Indra or Agni we use a certain stone or rock and through this particular set of stones it is possible to comunicate and hold the presence of the entity through vibration in the stone or stones depending on the number for the particular entity. This system has worked for ages.
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From: curtisdeltablues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2006 4:35:52 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Devas and the Gods
From: curtisdeltablues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2006 4:35:52 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Devas and the Gods
New Morning,
I had hoped for some thoughtful responses, thanks! I am not doubting
your subjective experience and those of your friends. I am also not
saying that everything the Vedic writers believed is wrong. I am
saying that I have no reason to believe that ancient India was
specially blessed with complete knowledge of how life works. There
may be an effect from making offerings to statues and paintings that
transcends the obvious psychological and sociological effects. These
are highly testable,falsifiable claims. But I don't see the movement
offering the slightest interest in testing it. It is presented as a
given that they have successful yagya knowledge. Judging by how the
sidhi program was developed by trial and error, I find this claim
dubious. We should not only have anecdotal evidence for something
that could be specifically tested. I don't know if yagyas work, or if
the offerings to the gods of Egypt or Greece work. The world is an
amazing place. But to assert that ancient India had the best god
offering program out of all the versions in man's history seems highly
unlikely. If it works it probably worked in other cultures too. I
say test them all!
Now till that is done, some people will find it more credible and get
benefits from yagyas as you have described, and some, like myself,
will believe that people in the past were wrong about a bunch of
stuff, so I have to pick my battles of what I want to sort out. For
me testing the medical use of herbs in traditional cultures should be
at the top of the testing list. If yagyas prove to be part of our
growing knowledge about how life works, fantastic. And it will have
been open minded people like yourself who financed it way ahead of the
curve.
I think we have more knowledge about the mechanics of how things work
in the examples you gave, including how TM causes rest. We are not
living in a world of unknown cause and effects, we know how a bunch of
stuff works well enough to make specific predictions and benefit from
those predictions. I think there needs more work on the causality
claims of yagyas. I'm sure you would welcome it as well. Thanks for
letting me hear about your experiences with yagyas.
--- In [email protected], new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Curtis, you make many fine points.
>
> However, your points don't negate my experience that there is a
> discernable cause and effect mechanism between a blsck box called a
> "deva" and me, and/or my yagya doing compatriates. I don't offer proof
> of yagyas or puja other than my own, and some friends, antecdotal
> experiences. But its pretty clear to me that if you push this or that
> button, this or that result occurs.
>
> To experience that, to see that, does not require any particular
> understanding of the black box called "deva". Just as it doesn't
> require any understanding of modern electronics, computer science,etc
> to turn on and use a computer. My computer is a black block called PC.
> I understand its inner nature and characteristics about as well as
> the black boxes known as "devas". (Though I know how to replace a
> hard dirve and CPU on the PC black box. I have yet to master that
> skill on deva black box.)
>
> As far as cause and effect of yagyas and pujas, lets use an example
> familiar to many here. Doing TM puja (cause) creates a real inner
> stillness, purity, contentment thing (effect). I don't know how, the
> inner cosmic mechanics, but it does. Switch on light switch, light
> turns bright. I have experienced that same "thing" in witnessing
> and/or participating in yagyas. Heavy shakti is how one friend
> describes that very tangible thing.
>
> I have had yagyas done from afar. Not even knowing when they were
> being done, something really lit up on the inner switchboard during
> the week various things were being done.
>
> But I didn't get those 12 goats the sciptures promised, so I am a bit
> bummed at that. But someone gave me a really nice wool sweater. When
> you push some buttons, its not clear precisely what will happen.
> Though, in my experience, you can hear the "dishwasher" running.
>
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I had hoped for some thoughtful responses, thanks! I am not doubting
your subjective experience and those of your friends. I am also not
saying that everything the Vedic writers believed is wrong. I am
saying that I have no reason to believe that ancient India was
specially blessed with complete knowledge of how life works. There
may be an effect from making offerings to statues and paintings that
transcends the obvious psychological and sociological effects. These
are highly testable,falsifiable claims. But I don't see the movement
offering the slightest interest in testing it. It is presented as a
given that they have successful yagya knowledge. Judging by how the
sidhi program was developed by trial and error, I find this claim
dubious. We should not only have anecdotal evidence for something
that could be specifically tested. I don't know if yagyas work, or if
the offerings to the gods of Egypt or Greece work. The world is an
amazing place. But to assert that ancient India had the best god
offering program out of all the versions in man's history seems highly
unlikely. If it works it probably worked in other cultures too. I
say test them all!
Now till that is done, some people will find it more credible and get
benefits from yagyas as you have described, and some, like myself,
will believe that people in the past were wrong about a bunch of
stuff, so I have to pick my battles of what I want to sort out. For
me testing the medical use of herbs in traditional cultures should be
at the top of the testing list. If yagyas prove to be part of our
growing knowledge about how life works, fantastic. And it will have
been open minded people like yourself who financed it way ahead of the
curve.
I think we have more knowledge about the mechanics of how things work
in the examples you gave, including how TM causes rest. We are not
living in a world of unknown cause and effects, we know how a bunch of
stuff works well enough to make specific predictions and benefit from
those predictions. I think there needs more work on the causality
claims of yagyas. I'm sure you would welcome it as well. Thanks for
letting me hear about your experiences with yagyas.
--- In [email protected], new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Curtis, you make many fine points.
>
> However, your points don't negate my experience that there is a
> discernable cause and effect mechanism between a blsck box called a
> "deva" and me, and/or my yagya doing compatriates. I don't offer proof
> of yagyas or puja other than my own, and some friends, antecdotal
> experiences. But its pretty clear to me that if you push this or that
> button, this or that result occurs.
>
> To experience that, to see that, does not require any particular
> understanding of the black box called "deva". Just as it doesn't
> require any understanding of modern electronics, computer science,etc
> to turn on and use a computer. My computer is a black block called PC.
> I understand its inner nature and characteristics about as well as
> the black boxes known as "devas". (Though I know how to replace a
> hard dirve and CPU on the PC black box. I have yet to master that
> skill on deva black box.)
>
> As far as cause and effect of yagyas and pujas, lets use an example
> familiar to many here. Doing TM puja (cause) creates a real inner
> stillness, purity, contentment thing (effect). I don't know how, the
> inner cosmic mechanics, but it does. Switch on light switch, light
> turns bright. I have experienced that same "thing" in witnessing
> and/or participating in yagyas. Heavy shakti is how one friend
> describes that very tangible thing.
>
> I have had yagyas done from afar. Not even knowing when they were
> being done, something really lit up on the inner switchboard during
> the week various things were being done.
>
> But I didn't get those 12 goats the sciptures promised, so I am a bit
> bummed at that. But someone gave me a really nice wool sweater. When
> you push some buttons, its not clear precisely what will happen.
> Though, in my experience, you can hear the "dishwasher" running.
>
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