--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
<snip> It doesn't really matter much whether someone is a TB of TM, 
or not. 
> > If they practice TM and find it effective, why try to get them 
to 
> > try something else? 
> 
> NO ONE is trying to get anyone to do something else.
> That's all in the heads of the people for whom hear-
> ing about another path is considered a challenge to
> the one they're currently on.
> 
> > If they are doing TM and think it is the 
> > greatest thing since sliced bread, so what? 
> 
> I completely agree. What I find offensive is when
> such people, IN TOTAL IGNORANCE, claim that their
> path is superior to all others, paths *that they 
> have never tried*. (And that they never will because
> either they're too afraid to, or too proud to ever
> "stoop to that level.") That's a level of fanaticism 
> and lack of humility that is pretty astounding in
> the larger spiritual smorgasbord. You would *never*
> find such a stance in most traditions. Never.

Christianity and Islam are pretty big, and not known for humility 
and moderation, but I get your point.

I don't see any evidence of that fear or arrogance myself here. Not 
exclusively among the TM adherents anyway...

> 
> The issue here on FFL is that a number of people
> have had experiences of more than one spiritual
> tradition and set of techniques. And then there are
> the people who have only had the experience of *one*
> tradition and set of techniques. The former group 
> usually comes down on the side of "Techniques are
> different and what is right for one person is not
> necessarily right or optimal for another." Whereas
> those who have only done TM tend to follow the TM
> dogma and claim that *only* TM can possibly be
> considered the "best" technique or tradition in 
> the world.

The respective opinions of each group make sense though, given their 
experience. Nothing to change here.

> The thing some of us are trying to do here is *not*
> to convince TMers to "jump ship." What we're trying
> to do is point out that the TM stance of being "the
> best" is considered by the greater spiritual community
> as being so lowvibe and so tacky that only the lowest
> scum of society would ever even *conceive* of their
> tradition being "the best." 

Lol! yeah, well, whatever keeps us *all* meditating...

Some here are strong TMers 
> who do *not* hold to this sick and twisted dogma of the 
> TM movement. But there are others who do, and they tend
> to become outraged when the *obvious* stupidity of their
> stance is pointed out. *They* are the TBs.

I don't see anyone here who fits that description. I know it isn't 
always all hearts and roses here, but the upsets tend to be more 
post for post vs a challenge of dogma, as I see it.


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