--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], kaladevi93 <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "llundrub" <llundrub@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I don't think he says TM is a fraud, just that some aspects > > > > of the teaching are very limited and limiting. > > > > > > He says it's a fraud because it claims *not* to be > > > limited and limiting. > > > > > > However, he obviously doesn't understand the teaching. > > > It would be one thing if he were able to state it > > > clearly and accurately, then explain how it's limited > > > and limiting; but what he presents as MMY's teaching > > > is one misconception after another. > > > > > > Plus which, his approach to discussion is intellectually > > > dishonest in the extreme, this current exchange with > > > Lawson being a particularly egregious example. > > > > > > Just for one thing, in discussions with knowledgeable > > > TMers, when asked to explain why such-and-such in > > > the Buddhist or Yogic tradition is superior to or > > > contradicts MMY's teaching, he either comes out with > > > a string of impenetrable jargon and obscure references > > > or claims the TMers couldn't possibly understand his > > > point. > > > > > > If he himself actually understands what he's talking > > > about, he ought to be able to explain it in plain > > > language. Instead, he becomes evasive. > > > > > > Funny, I find his comments insightful and clear. He just doesn't take any > > BS or is sick of > it > > to death (like many of us, no doubt!). > > Alright. So you're saying that Vaj, who can't furnish any direct reference to > the studies he > claims exists, is being more clear than moi, who does furnish references to > such studies.
Actually he has talked about them, I gather he's sick of constantly repeating himself, even morso since clearly like many yogis he prefers direct experience rather than materialistic ephemera. You prefer the way it's been done for less than 50 years, he prefers the one that's been done experientially for thousand and thousands of years. One is tried and true and has produced innumerable enlightned beings, another is groping in the dark for tentative answers. Just posting links of studies of questionable veracity is of little interest to most yogis. I'd guess Vaj is no exception to that. This yogini would certainly question anything the TM PR machine printed out. But overall, I'm unimpressed.
