--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 8, 2007, at 9:07 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > <tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@> wrote: > >> > >> Vaj writes: > >> Actually he says you must *conquer* ("jayAt") samyama. This is > >> because samyama is mixed with chains of dhyana and dharana. It is > >> considered "external" to seedless samadhi. Seedless samadhi only > >> occurs when the triad of samyama is not present. > >> > >> Tom T: > >> Chapter and verse please. I would like to verify this claim. > >> Thanks Tom > >> > > > > > > See YS 3.3-3.10 > > > > Vaj likes to take a single translation that fits his notions about > > what MUST be the ase. > > No actually when I studied the YS it was looking at the 24 most > authoritative commentaries from the POV of the lineage of Patanjali. > > > That's fine. I like to look at several different translations and > > intuit how they fit in with > > what MMY says and taught me. There's no way to prove who is correct > > about this, despite > > what Vaj claims, until such time as perfect mastery of the sidhis > > is demonstrated in a > > labratory setting. > > Actually we were talking about Vyasas's comment. > > > > > Samyama involves subtle fluctuations of the mind. The sidhis take > > place at the most subtle > > level, but they are still fluctuations. That doesn't mean that > > seedless samadhi doesn't > > happen during sutra practice, just that the sidhis aren't manifest > > during that state (how > > could they be since sidhis are a relative, intentional thing?). > > Seedless samadhi is turiya, > > what Vaj likes to call the "fourth pranayama." But there is NO > > characteristic of the fourth. > > That's why nothing is said of it. > > There is quite a lot said on this is the supplementary texts. It's > very detailed and does require an authentic master of that tradition > to properly explain it. >
Of course, YOU have found such a master, while MMY isn't...
