On Jan 8, 2007, at 9:07 AM, sparaig wrote:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Vaj writes:
Actually he says you must *conquer* ("jayAt") samyama. This is
because samyama is mixed with chains of dhyana and dharana. It is
considered "external" to seedless samadhi. Seedless samadhi only
occurs when the triad of samyama is not present.
Tom T:
Chapter and verse please. I would like to verify this claim.
Thanks Tom
See YS 3.3-3.10
Vaj likes to take a single translation that fits his notions about
what MUST be the ase.
No actually when I studied the YS it was looking at the 24 most
authoritative commentaries from the POV of the lineage of Patanjali.
That's fine. I like to look at several different translations and
intuit how they fit in with
what MMY says and taught me. There's no way to prove who is correct
about this, despite
what Vaj claims, until such time as perfect mastery of the sidhis
is demonstrated in a
labratory setting.
Actually we were talking about Vyasas's comment.
Samyama involves subtle fluctuations of the mind. The sidhis take
place at the most subtle
level, but they are still fluctuations. That doesn't mean that
seedless samadhi doesn't
happen during sutra practice, just that the sidhis aren't manifest
during that state (how
could they be since sidhis are a relative, intentional thing?).
Seedless samadhi is turiya,
what Vaj likes to call the "fourth pranayama." But there is NO
characteristic of the fourth.
That's why nothing is said of it.
There is quite a lot said on this is the supplementary texts. It's
very detailed and does require an authentic master of that tradition
to properly explain it.
