---Precisely, well done authfriend!
In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], MDixon6569@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 9/4/07 10:19:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > MDixon6569@ writes:
> >
> >
> > In [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (mailto:[email protected]) ,
> > MDixon6569@, M
> > <snip>
> > [quoting Isaiah]
> > And because of what
> > > he has experienced, my righteous servant will make it possible
> for
> > > many to be counted righteous, for he will bear all their sins.
I
> > > will give him the honors of one who is mighty and great,
because
> he
> > > exposed himself to death. He was counted among those who were
> > > sinners. He bore the sins of many and interceded for sinners.
> >
> > Nothing about this servant's being the only-begotten
> > Son of God, though, is there? "Mighty and great," but
> > nothing about being divine.
> >
> > There are approximately 127 prophesies in the Old Testament, might
> > be a few more, none give all the information. However, Isaiah 53-
2
> > My servant grew up in the Lord's presence like a tender green
> > shoot, sprouting from a dry root in dry and sterile ground. I
> > believe is referring to the virgin birth.
>
> Maybe (although it could be a reference to a previously
> barren woman suddenly being able to conceive by normal
> human means). But it's not explicitly about the servant
> being the only-begotten Son of God.
>
> It was
> > John the Baptist who said that when he baptized Jesus, he heard
> the voice of
> > God say "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased."
>
> But that's in the Christian Scriptures, it isn't a
> prophecy from the Hebrew Scriptures.
>
> The prophecy
> > does say he is without sin and the Bible does say that no man
> > since Adam has come into this world without sin. Just how
> > *mighty and great* would one have to be to take on the sins of
> > the world. Be exposed to death, to rise and have a multitude of
> > Children and heirs and have kings stand before him speechless,
> > clearly a reference to his Divine reign as King of Kings.
>
> Sorry, but it's not an explicit characterization of
> the servant as the only-begotten Son of God.
>
> > One last thing to ad here is that Isaiah also said the suffering
> > servant did no wrong and deceived no one and if indeed this
> > prophecy is about Jesus, Jesus always referred to God as "my
> > Father". Only once does he call Him God and that is when he had
> > became the embodiment of sin on the cross and said "my
> > God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me". Of course there are
many
> > other examples of Jesus referring to himself as the Son of God
and
> > the Son of man.
>
> Son of Man, yes, a common expression referring to human
> beings. But none to being the only-begotten Son of God.
>
> Referring to God as "Father" is, of course, standard in
> Judaism, so that's no indication of anything.
>
> My point is that the Hebrew Scripture prophecies refer
> to an extraordinary human being who is obviously favored
> by God but do not indicate that he is to be of uniquely
> divine origin or status. That was an invention of
> Christianity that isn't found in the Hebrew Scriptures,
> and it's why Jews do not accept Jesus as their Messiah.
>
