--- In [email protected], "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@>
wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "do.rflex" <do.rflex@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin"
<jflanegi@>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], "do.rflex" <do.rflex@>
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > [big snip]
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > but my involvement in such things is limited to just
this
> > > > > > board, one other, and my daily practice of TM. I have no
> > > > involvement
> > > > > > nor do I discuss my spiritual life with anyone or any
group
> > > > outside
> > > > > > this and one other forum.:-)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > That's irrelevant to this discussion.
> > > > >
> > > > OK- Thanks for your comments. In such an online discussion
it is
> > > > difficult for me to see what the real issues are sometimes.
So,
> > you
> > > > want me to say that I understand that Maharishi has done
some
> > things
> > > > or caused those in his organization to do some things which
> > others
> > > > see as wrong. Yes, I see that.
> > > >
> > > > Second issue seems to be: Do I admit that Maharishi has done
> > some
> > > > things that are wrong, and therefore these things impact my
> > judgment
> > > > of his credibility? And my answer is that whatever he may
have
> > done
> > > > that is wrong doesn't impact my view of him. Which speaks
> > directly
> > > > to the critical issue here of what I am attempting to get
from
> > him
> > > > that requires that his credibility remain absolutely intact.
> > Because
> > > > the two are intimately linked; need and credibility.
> > >
> > >
> > > This isn't about 'you' Jim OR what 'you' need or believe. It's
> > about
> > > Maharishi's legitimacy as a teacher and spiritual icon in
terms of
> > > right and wrong and the implications that flow from that for
the
> > > movement, all TMers and the public.
> > >
> > >
> > > > There is nothing I need from Maharishi. Absolutely nothing
at
> > all.
> > > > Zip. Not enlightenment, or CC or GC or UC or Brahman, or any
> > > > explanations, elucidations, clarifications, techniques, or
> > anything
> > > > else. That being said, there is nothing he can do to affect
his
> > > > credibility with me. I want nothing from Maharishi, past,
> > present or
> > > > future.
> > > >
> > > > I hope this settles the question with you John. We appear to
> > have
> > > > very different needs with regard to our relationship with
> > > > Maharishi.:-)
> > >
> > > The discussion has *nothing* to do at all with what you or I
might
> > > "need" from Maharishi. It appears that you're tap dancing and
that
> > > it's a waste of time to discuss this any further with you.
That's
> > > unfortunate... for me, as I was beginning to feel that someone
like
> > > you would openly address this issue.
> > >
> > Not tap dancing at all. What is there to do? Post stuff on that
TM
> > Free website? What do you want to do? Again, it comes down to
your
> > objectives. What are your objectives here?
> >
> > If Maharishi's reputation is sullied and it affects his
credibility
> > in the eyes of the public, and therefore fewer people will see
the
> > legitimacy of TM, what is there to do? Must something be done,
or
> > can we trust that as Maharishi once said, "all is well and
wisely
> > set"? What kind of result are you looking for? :-)
>
>
> Again, you're tap dancing. It isn't a matter of "what to do".
That's
> just another dodge. [Seems the dodges are endless with you.] It's a
> matter of acknowledgement and discussion. You appear unwilling to
> directly acknowledge or to directly discuss the objective facts
that
> I've brought up. You treat all of this as if it has no
significance.
> But it does and you won't even admit that.
>
I am not tap dancing-- only trying to identify and address any issue
of practical relevance here. The only issue that I can see remains
is that you have said that Maharishi did wrong, he is not evolved
enough to avoid doing this, and therefore this affects his
credibility as a spiritual icon and authority figure, for you and
others. So please let me know how to address this. Thank you.:-)
