--- In [email protected], nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> > > > wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > You appear to have a set of assumptions you are making and I > > > have no > > > > > idea what those are, which I am then accused of obscuring. > Very > > > > > strange. Anyway, good luck?:-) > > > > > > > > No assumptions, Jim. Very specific items. > > > > > > > > Either you have a convenient ability to forget what I wrote to > you > > > or > > > > you're just being dishonest. > > > > > > Not dishonest, just busy with life. Thanks for the summary.:-) > > > > > > Below is what I wrote to you. I've > > > > summarized it below that: > > > > > > > <snip> Just to make it more specific and simple: > > > > > > > > Banning initiations in Great Britain > > > > > > No problem with this. He began the Movement, and as its "CEO" he > can > > > do what he likes.:-) > > > > > > > > Closing TM Centers > > > > > > Same as above.:-) > > > > > > > > Promoting and abandoning bizarre costly projects > > > > > > Same as above.:-) > > > > > > > > The King Tony stuff > > > > > > I assume you mean the way he treats Tony Nader, and the position > he > > > holds in the Movement. > > > Same as above.:-) > > > > > > > > Pitches for mega amounts of cash > > > > > > Same as above.:-) > > > > > > > > The disappearance of millions of those dollars after he gets > them > > > > > > > I have stopped contributing any money to the TMO, except for $50 > for > > > the pundit program in Iowa. I have no idea where the money goes. > As > > > I've mentioned before, the Movement makes a big deal of being > rich, > > > though there is always an air of shabbiness around it. > > > > > > Yes, the Movement has changed, and Maharishi has changed what he > has > > > said about the direction of it, and his intentions for it. This > is > > > decidedly different from the way all of the major religions > operate, > > > because with dogma we get certainty. And with dogma it is easy to > > > keep saying the same things over and over again, as if they mean > > > something. People like that. Except that it doesn't lead to > > > enlightenment. Only a path that is dynamic, breaks boundaries, > and > > > is headed by a supremely enlightened teacher has a hope of > leading > > > its followers to a result of supreme glory, fulfillment and the > ever > > > changing, ever fulfilling Reality of Brahman, and that path is > > > Maharishi's path for us. As the bumper sticker says, "lead, > follow, > > > or get out of the way". > > > > > > Thank you for asking my opinion of these things. Sorry it took so > > > long to get back to the meat of the issues-- my bad. Jai Guru > Dev. > > > Om Shiva.:-) > > > > Your words, Jim, in response to almost everything on the abbreviated > > list I provided: > > > > "No problem with this. He began the Movement, and as its "CEO" he > can > > do what he likes." > > > > You've set Maharishi at a level of a corporate CEO instead of a > > spiritual icon. I would tend to agree with that assessment of him > > however, and further suggest that that indicates that he isn't much > > beyond your average CEO in standards or ethics. > > > > I find it interesting that the only thing that seemed to get your > > attention in the short list I provided was the disposition of the > > missing million$ - even though in the thread I extensively > elaborated > > on the other items on that list. > > > > That certainly reveals your position on Maharishi as a teacher and > as > > a spiritual icon. It reveals that you are indifferent to whether he > > has any particular standards or not. > > > > Guru Dev himself, as a young boy, had very rigid standards for > > whomever was to become his teacher. And Guru Dev himself exemplified > > the highest standards of spiritual ethics. > > > > What's a bummer to me is that TMers like you seem to think that 'all > > is well' WITHOUT any of those standards. And people like Jerry ask > > questions like, "Do you know any billionaires?" as if cash is the > > 'great answer' in lieu of Paramatman. > > > > Something's rotten in Denmark in my view and the population refuses > to > > notice it, even when it's clearly pointed out. I've experienced that > > many of those people like it that way however, and will and have > > overtly, even viciously, attempted to eliminate any effort to make > it > > any different. > > So you don't think that the "standards" you are reffering to are > different in different states of consciousness ? Look around, don't > people arund you have different standards, even within your family ?
There are certain basic things that are accepted on all levels as good behavior and bad behavior. One would expect that a 'spiritual' teacher would not only adhere to basic goodness, but also be an example and hopefully an inspiration. > And please stop these absurd referances to Guru Dev; you know nothing > about the man. Guru Dev is embedded in my heart. At first, as a TM teacher, I directly felt his very powerful presence at times during the Puja when I initiated someone. But now I feel Guru Dev's presence almost every day. At times I spiritually 'see' and 'telepathically' converse with him. > In fact you seem to know very little about a lot of > things. > But jugdmental, yes you are. He says as he completes his judgment of me.
