modius wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 11, 2:46 am, real_jax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> When creating HTML pages, it took me while before I understood how to use
>> uploaded images in the body part. You need to first have a relationship
>> and
>> have an image selected in the associated media. (why are those items
>> draggable there?
>
> Because many people -- especially in larger installations -- do not
> allow contributors to place images inline within their content.
> Instead they prefer to have images positioned based on the template
> chosen to render the page. You can order the images because often the
> order of images has considerable significance for the design of the
> template.
>
Are you sure that 'many people' should not be 'some people' instead ? Are
you sure you are not forcing the majority of your users to think along the
way that only some require?
Anyway, my intention was to show that things might be confusing. I Know it
was confusing to me.
modius wrote:
>
> In addition, now that there is a programmatic relationship between
> media and content items, you can prevent silly things like
> accidentally deleting images that are required by other content.
>
>> why can I tick items on and off, only for deleting?).
>
> Yes.
>
>> When clicking the 'open library' button to add items to that associated
>> media only sometimes the html screen upon returning is updated. Items
>> *are*
>> added, they just don't show up in the screen.
>
> It's possible that you are closing the library window before the ajax
> call in the background has had a chance to update the parent page.
> It's a known issue for very slow installations.
>
Fair enough.
modius wrote:
>
>> When an item is in the associated media list, only then the 'related
>> object
>> content templates' button ( the one that has the farcry logo in it) is
>> usefull.
>
> This is by design. How else would you anticipate this to work?
>
I would expect that button to say something like 'please associated some
media first' when nothing is associated. And it would be even better if it
said why you need to associate first.
modius wrote:
>
>
>> It shows all related content, but has some weird behavior:
>> *Only* when an item is being previewed first, it can be inserted. And
>> when I
>
> The preview is required because there are multiple ways the image
> might be inserted. In fact, there's a library of little "insertHTML"
> templates that you can modify to change the way your content is
> inserted. For example, you might want the image in a div with a
> caption. By default you can choose the source image, the standard
> size or thumb nail.
>
>> click the insert button, the image is inserted but the next click (any
>> click, anywhere) in the 'related object content templates' window closes
>> it.
>> This means that when I want to add 25 images, I have to reopen the window
>> 25
>> times.
>
> I can see that might be annoying. However, we'd recommend that you
> shouldn't be embedding 25 images into the body. You could accomplish
> this much more easily by adding a specific template to render a
> gallery view, or by using something like a publishing rule to render a
> gallery view. Assuming you are after a gallery of some sort.
>
No, see.. Dont' say I shouldn't add 25 images. Don't assume I want a
gallery. I am a user. I am likely to add 100 images this way because I want
a a page with 100 images.
modius wrote:
>
>> When adding an html page though the same popup it requires me to select a
>> 'display type'. The dropdown is empty and thus I cant add anything. I
>> probably have to set up a display type somewhere, but.. ah well.. back to
>> the mailinglist I guess..
>
> There is a lot of documentation in this area. Please start with the
> following page about configuring the rich text editor and let me know
> what additional information you need:
> http://docs.farcrycms.org:8080/confluence/display/FCDEV40/richtext
>
>> This is all, to put it mildly, counter intuitive.
>
> Perhaps with this additional in-sight you'll be in a better
> position :)
>
Yep, I sure am. But the most important thing here is that the emphasis on
the previous sentence is on the 'I'....
> Sure, after a lot of trial and error I will probably figure it out, but it
> makes me feel like a (dumb) user.
> Suppose you are a user. And you are left in charge of your companies
> website
> and it's content, to be managed with this version of farcry. Be honest..
Daemon provides both custom documentation and contributor training for
its clients. We find that the vast majority of our clients take to
their solutions like a duck to water. We also offer these services to
other companies -- it's how we mange to put food on the table :)
> A lot of criticism, I know. But meant to be constructive. It is not my
> intention to bash Farcry. Far from it.
Glad to hear it! Would love to have you contributing to making the
community all the stronger.
</quote
Thanks Geoff for you taking the time to answers my questions and for being
patient.
It is much appreciated.
My main goal with sending this email to the community was to show all
developers that they need to keep in mind who it is they are developing for
in the first place. The first place is your user. And to me it seems that
some are confusing a user with themselves. They are not the same. Your user
is not you.
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