Carolyn, you never really know with cats, but MAYBE some of Lil Girl's Queen 
Bee attitude would dissipate once she got inside
because in THAT hierarchy she's the new girl in town.  Then again, maybe not, 
but it does happen.  Also, if you take the time to 
go through the socializing protocols from step one -- caging, food association, 
spending time, etc., and introduce the others to her
while she's still in the (mutual) safety of her cage, maybe she will learn to 
coexist.  I only have the experience of our former feral Fred, 
but in her case, there was never a cage but a room to herself, for months and 
months, with my housemate and I coming in 
nightly with food and conversation (we read her the 100 Best Fantasy and 
Science Fiction Stories ;-)).  Coincidentally, the room has 
a gaping hole where the doorknob should be, so she could easily hear the sounds 
of the house, and there was a large gap at the 
bottom of the door where she would play patty-paw with the others long before 
they met face to face.  When we finally opened the
door to them, it was so completely a non-event, most of them just gave her butt 
a little sniff and then went over to check that her food 
wasn't any better than theirs.  
I dunno, I think her barging in and making herself at home so soon after Monkee 
died was, well, kind of a sign, don't you, really?
Diane R.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:52 PM
Subject: RE: Question about outdoor cat

Well, that is how my Monkee eventually became.  He was living outside, but 
likely belonged to someone before (he was neutered).  But Lil Girl is different 
because she's not afraid of even ONE thing!  So she definitely doesn't have 
that timid, scared feral thing going on.  Monkee was afraid of people and 
especially men for a long time.  And actually, if she was more afraid, my mom 
and I might be more confident about me taking her b/c we know how to manage 
that.  But as she is, her personality...we fear she might just continue to run 
roughshod over everything and everyone if we take her in!!!  She looks at my 
foster kitties with utter distain from the front door!  I swear, she glares at 
them and narrows her eyes like they are just stupid little lunatics (which, 
they are!).  But I don't want her terrorizing my mom's cat and my sweet foster 
cat Izzee- who's become such a wonderful cat since I took the kittens in.  I 
really don't want to do anything that would "offend" Izzee or upset her!  After 
Monkee died and I had no cats for about a week, Lil Girl came busting into my 
house and on my front, screened porch!  Just marching around investigating like 
she owned the place.  She clearly has no fear and she just has that 
personality- you can just tell-- of "I'm going to do what I want to do when I 
want to do it!"  I've joked to my mom that maybe I will just scoop her up and 
put her in my mom's backyard- at least temporarily!  But my mom fears she will 
make the "incredible journey" back to her neighborhood/colony 
instinctively....?  We feel like we just don't know anything about 
colony/outdoor cats like her and don't feel confident in our abilities to make 
a decision I guess?


        From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        Subject: RE: Question about outdoor cat
        Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:31:45 -0400

        TAKE HER!  I was feeding my Romeo for 2 years before I brought him 
inside.  I did so only because the temperature was going to below zero and the 
creeps whose house he lived under boarded up his access so he had no shelter.  
It took a few weeks of him in a large kennel in my bedroom propped up on some 
boxes.  Initially, I put his box and his food dish in there & covered all but 
two sides with a sheet.  Then I started leaving the door to the kennel open and 
putting his food on the floor just below.  Then I brought him to the bathroom 
around the corner in the kennel to show him where I was moving the litter box 
to.  He started eating/going to the box only when nobody was in the room or at 
night when he thought I was asleep.  But sure enough, one day he went out while 
I was in the room on my computer and jumped on the bed he'd been eying!  Sure 
enough, that did it.  Once he found the creature comforts there was no turning 
back!  He rarely sits at the window or tries to go out-sort of looks at the 
other guys like they're nuts for wanting to go out!  He is the absolutely most 
affectionate cat I've ever had.  BUT, the one thing I still can't do is 
actually pick him up.  He'll sit on my lap (or on my chest when I try to 
sleep!) but squirms out real fast if I try to pick him up.  Vet visits & 
crating are real tough so I have to keep that to an absolute miminum


        Sooo, this little one has already staked you out as hers!  I say take 
her; keep her in a big wire cage with some increasing freedoms and watch her 
become a big mush!


        From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline 
        Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:17 PM
        Subject: OT: Question about outdoor cat


        This is my final question I promise.  But it's been looming over my 
head for a long time now and it's really distressing me.  I know I have told 
you all that my street has neighborhood 24/7 outdoor cats that technically 
belong to a lady a few houses up from me.  But all the neighbors kind of look 
after them and some feed/keep water out.  The lady who brought them to the 
street "rescued" them from her sister- whom she said wasn't taking care of 
them- the sister had not spayed/neutered.  She got connected with one of the 
local agencies and had them all fixed for a discount (she is low income).  She 
already has five indoor cats so these cats became outdoor cats.  Almost all of 
them have clipped ears (except one) that show they have been fixed.  Some of 
them started out as indoor/outdoor and then I guess found they liked being like 
colony cats better so they pretty much stay out year round.  She has a front 
porch where she has boxes set up for them in the winter, etc.  They are all 
male, except for one.    
        I started feeding them too myself when I moved to the street over a 
year ago because I didn't know the situation- were they homeless, etc.?  I 
finally got the whole story.  There is one, a little girl who I call, "Lil 
Girl" who pretty much has re-transplanted herself to my property.  I treated 
her for tapeworms and I have been giving her Advantage thru the summer.  I was 
worried about her being so small, even tho she's about 5 yo, so I kept feeding 
her quality food to beef her up, even after determining her sort-of home 
situation.  But now she is a permanent resident pretty much at my front door.  
She is there every morning waiting for me and in the evening. It so sad because 
I do not own my house and my landlord needs his house back and I am moving the 
weekend after next.  I don't know what to do?  The other outdoor cats who I 
feed are just occasional visitors-- they will be fine without me and I will 
have a talk with all the neighbors about calling me if something happens and I 
was going to leave a couple bags of expensive, quality food with the lady up 
the street to feed them, etc.  I know I will stop by a lot to check on them 
because I am very tied to the neighborhood by exercise classes I attend, etc.  
But I am really upset about the Lil Girl.  I can't tell if she just hangs out 
with me and at my house JUST BECAUSE I feed her and she likes my food better or 
because she likes me?  I worry about the effect of my leaving on her?  She'll 
be waiting for me the next morning and I won't show?  My landlord is allergic 
to cats and I doubt he will be feeding them (I have to have a talk with him 
about at least being nice to them tho and letting him know they will be at the 
door for a while until they "figure it out."  He's young and a hippy/nature 
person, so he will be cool about it, he just won't be the cat-person that I 
was).  But everytime I think about Lil Girl, I just want to cry.  She's 
beautiful, but she's a top banana- she's runs roughshod over the much larger 
outdoor boy cats- three and 4 times her size!  It's already going to be crazy 
enough at my mom's house trying to integrate my declawed Izzee with my mom's 
hissing, scratching Tally, my mom's new Humane Society dog who doesn't like 
Tally/cats and is still trying to kill Tally (they are working on it) and then 
my three crated foster kitties!  Ironically, I think the foster kitties will 
have the smoothest transition!  They don't ask for much!  My mom and I have 
gone round and round about what to do about Lil Girl b/c my mom likes her too 
and worries about her.  Before I got the foster kittens, I thought about taking 
her with me.  I'm pretty sure the lady up the street would let me have her b/c 
that would be one less mouth....but I don't know if Lil Girl could become a 
house cat?  Would she be happy, or is there some colony-cat psychology that I 
would be interfering with?  I fear she would kill Izzee and Tally given the 
chance-- or at least beat them up.  Lil Girl is not feral tho- I can pick her 
up and hold her- tho it's not her fave thing.  She seems to just "perfer" to be 
outside, so it's like she's somewhere in between, so she presents such a 
problem for me!?
        I just don't know what to do?  I need advice!  Reassurance?


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