They can also get permanent damage from ulcers ... did the vet do a corneal stain to see if the eye was ulcerated?
On Jan 10, 2008 3:45 PM, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now I have seen permanent damage from untreated (or even treated URIs). > Clarissa, a white Persian in our rescue, has one eye that is almost entirely > white. > > > On Jan 10, 2008 3:41 PM, Caroline Kaufmann < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Okay. I know that no one can diagnosis- but just to have people > > compare/contrast/confirm, that might be helpful. His Holistic vet seems to > > think it's scarring- permanent damage from untreated uri's- which I have > > never seen in a cat before. So if more experienced people that have seen > > that and can say one way or the other, it "MIGHT* make me feel better (not > > about him having permanent eye damage :( , but more so that, yeah, it > > doesn't look like FIP)....? > > ck > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:35:29 -0600 > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > Subject: Re: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up > > > > Caroline, > > > > I am not a vet but if it will make you feel any better I'll look at it. > > > > > > > > On Jan 10, 2008 12:30 PM, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > The saga continues with my sick cat Brumley. I don't know what to do > > any more. The conventional vet that saw him on Dec. 24 got the results back > > from the Toxoplasmosis test and is was neg. (I can't remember if I reported > > this info this site or not). So when the Toxo test came back neg, the vet > > totally reversed gears from the day before (when he said he didn't think it > > was FIP b/c Brumley only test pos. for high globulin and high protein, but > > not a corona virus, antibody, etc.). So he completely went back on that and > > said, basically, he thinks it's FIP b/c he has nothing else to go on and b/c > > Brumley is showing 2 of the 3 indicators of it (but still no "wet" > > indicators like the swollen belly). I think it's the eye that is really > > throwing him off and I can't for the love of god, get any vet to > > explain/diagnose/tell me what to with that eye. I have asked if I should be > > putting anything in it and both the conventional vet and my holistic vet > > just say "no." So, I had a phone consult about Brumley with my holistic vet > > and she reviewed the blood work and said she doesn't think it's FIP- that a > > severely dehydrated cat will have high globulin and high protein in the > > blood panel. And the fact that is his neg. for corona- she just doesn't > > think it's FIP. She has of course treated FIP cats/kittens and had some > > herself and she told me she has NEVER seen the "dry" form of FIP in a kitten > > (Brum's 7 mths)-- only in older, adult cats does the dry form come out. She > > said she always sees it in kittens in the clear wet form with the swollen > > belly and other signs of fluid retention and then they die quickly. And > > Brum's been lingering on like this for a while now > > > > So, I just went about feeding him and making him comfy- moving him into > > the room with the other other guys (he'd already been exposed to them before > > I had him); stopped the subcu fluids b/c I didn't think he needs them. I > > guess it's been two weeks since then and he just kind of hangs out-- eats- > > he always eats good- no matter what. But about last week he seemed to lose > > some personality and he laid around a lot and stopped batting around toys. > > By this past Sun., my mom and I were discussing that he had gone down, down > > and we were worried. I don't have a thermometer for cats, but I could tell > > he had a fever and just felt crappy (altho he still eats and drinks water > > when feeling bad!). I gave him a fluid treatment- I thought his pink looked > > really white and thought it couldn't hurt. The fluid bump hung around > > forever tho? I got him in to see the holistic vet on Monday evening and my > > mom took him. *The Dr. kind of laughed off my mom's concerns that > > Brumley was going to die and that his eye looked horrible. She told my mom > > she thinks he has something else going on besides the eye-- like some kind > > of infection somewhere else in the body, but she doesn't know where. *So > > she wanted me to stop his Clavamox and try some other immune boosting > > things. Again, my mom asked about the eye and should we be putting anything > > in it to treat it, and the Dr. was just like no. > > > > So of course, Brum was better just the next day (Tues.) and I could tell > > the fever broke. He was batting around a toy the very next morning. Still > > eating great. > > > > But then by Wed. night, he was just sleeping the whole time in a cubby > > hole, seemed to have a fever again and not playing (still eating tho). So I > > thought, well maybe his holistic vet is right, he is working on fighting off > > some infection and when it gets too hard for his body to fight it, he > > succumbs a little bit and the fever comes back, etc. So, this morning, it's > > the same. Lots of sleeping and fever still around. *Even worse, his > > eye looks worse. I swear, it looks like the cavity or something is filled > > with blood b.c the eye appears to be a diff't color than the other and > > you can see that it looks like blood behind the eye. So now, it looks > > "bloodier" and as if the blood has settled down to the bottom of the eye > > more- like it pooled there. And now, there are even more cloudy/greyish > > white spots on the surface of the eyeball. *Ugh. I'm worried. But my > > mom is worse-- she's a worry-wart prone to histrionics and having these two > > sick/down cats (Brum and Possum) with her around, literally sucks my will to > > live. She just wants to keep running Brumley to vets b/c she thinks he > > needs something put into the eyeball and then she asks me "how long can this > > go on" (meaning how long do we give Brumley a chance to fight this off- > > which I now recall is the same GD thing my stupid sister said to me about > > Monkee after the blood transfusion...sigh). And it's just killing me- the > > stress. She totally makes it worse, so keeping her at bay is a draining > > task too. > > > > Plus, it's like, this isn't even my cat! He technically belongs to the > > no-kill group I vol for, yet I am the only one dealing with the stress of > > his care and illness!!!! It's only the other run-of-the-mill vols that call > > me and ask about him. But his original foster, and the lady who is I guess > > "in charge" and the bane of my existence and she's also on the board (sigh)- > > she doesn't even ask about him anymore! She had a teleph. convo with my > > holistic vet before I first talked to the vet about Brum where she actually > > told the vet, "well you know, we're going to lose some of them" and now my > > vet won't deal with her due to that comment (and rightfully so), b/c it's > > like, you pulled these kittens out of Metro AC in June and they have > > struggled ever since and Brumley's in the condition he's in, in part because > > of lack of care and attention by this group and so now, we're just going to > > "play the numbers" and let him linger on until death instead of getting the > > necessary vet care for a cat that we agreed to take on the minute he was > > pulled from Metro?!? I could scream. > > > > I'm so frustrated. > > > > *I think I can take a picture of Brumley's eye tonight with my webcam > > and email it, so if anyone is willing to take a look at it, let me know so I > > can email it directly b/c this site won't take it if I try to send to all. > > I would really just like to hear someone say "yeah, I've seen that before!" > > when it comes to his eye- instead of these two vets who act like they have > > never seen it before and don't address the eye care directly... * > > > > caroline > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 08:39:55 -0800 > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > > > Caroline, > > > > Bless you for taking care of these babies. You are truly going above > > and beyond and it sounds like you've found your calling. I hope you got > > conclusive yet good news for the sick kitten on Friday. > > > > :) > > Wendy > > > > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can > > change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ > > Margaret Meade ~~~ > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:39:08 PM > > Subject: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up > > > > Okay, the results are not all in, but I finally talked to the Vet about > > the blood tests from the sick kitten I took in- which he suspect FIP in. > > The cat was NEGATIVE for Felv (so that's the second time he's tested neg.- > > first at approx. 2 mths old, now at 6 mths). He NEGATIVE for FIV (which he > > had not yet been tested for ever). The vet also says that so far, it looks > > like it's not FIP and he talked about how there is no conclusive test, etc., > > so for now, he has to go by the presence of antibodies- which he says are > > usually higher if the cat has "dry" FIP and then even higher if it's "wet" > > FIP. He says the antibodies are just not high enough to for it to be FIP- > > either the dry or wet form. So he remains concerned tho that it's a an > > infectious ( i.e., contagious) disease. *What he is waiting on now is > > the toxoplasmosis test b/c now he is suspecting that.* He said the > > results of that test will be in tomorrow. He also said the blood is showing > > high globulin levels and high white blood cells- both of which indicate some > > kind of an infection, but he just doesn't know what kind yet. > > I do have a phone consultation appointment tomorrow at 5:00 with the > > holistic vet (Marylyn-- Dr. Maier) who treated Monkee at the end of his life > > and whom Monkee loved- at a time when he was utterly miserable and fed up > > with vets! We are consulting on this kitten and then also to discuss > > general care of fosters and things I can do holistically to help them rehab > > faster. I may end up taking Yoda to her anyway b/c of the diarrhea that I > > can't get traditional vets to address. Hopefully, I will have the blood > > tests results on my sick kitten emailed to me before then, so I can forward > > them to her for her review and "second" opinion. I feel better because I am > > finally getting some freaking vets lined up so that I can finally take care > > of these fosters without always feeling like I'm supposed to do so without > > ever having veterinary access unless a cat is pretty much dying in my arms. > > Monkee died in my arms despite all the things we did to save him and there > > is NO WAY I'm going to allow another cat to die in my arms- especially these > > fosters who seem to have totally treatable (possibly preventable) things > > going on with them! Urg. So we continue to forge ahead. > > Poor kitty feels so much better and I'm worried about continuing to give > > him fluids. Dr. Maier said in an email that if he is doing that much better > > and has had 3 treatments of subcu fluids, it's probably not necessary to do > > them today. But when I talked to the conventional vet that saw the cat on > > Monday, he said to continue them b/c "extra fluids are extra fluids," "it > > can't really hurt him" (I beg to differ- it's very traumatic b/c it's just > > me and him in a contest of wills and strength and it's pretty horrible- he > > gets that huge needle out everytime and I have to re-stick him-- which is > > hell for me and him), and "without really seeing the cat, he can't tell me > > to discontinue fluids." Well, my mom and I have discussed it and I'm doing > > them tonight. It's too much on him and me. He's feeling too "good" now so > > that he really fights the fluid giving. I always recall that Dr. Maier- in > > all her holistic wisdom- said (when I first took Monkee to her), that "you > > don't want the treatment to be worse than the disease." I think that solves > > my dilemma for now. > > Caroline > > > > > > > > The best games are on Xbox 360. Click here for a special offer on an > > Xbox 360 Console. 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