Now I have seen permanent damage from untreated (or even treated URIs). Clarissa, a white Persian in our rescue, has one eye that is almost entirely white.
On Jan 10, 2008 3:41 PM, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Okay. I know that no one can diagnosis- but just to have people > compare/contrast/confirm, that might be helpful. His Holistic vet seems to > think it's scarring- permanent damage from untreated uri's- which I have > never seen in a cat before. So if more experienced people that have seen > that and can say one way or the other, it "MIGHT* make me feel better (not > about him having permanent eye damage :( , but more so that, yeah, it > doesn't look like FIP)....? > ck > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:35:29 -0600 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up > > Caroline, > > I am not a vet but if it will make you feel any better I'll look at it. > > > > On Jan 10, 2008 12:30 PM, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > The saga continues with my sick cat Brumley. I don't know what to do any > more. The conventional vet that saw him on Dec. 24 got the results back > from the Toxoplasmosis test and is was neg. (I can't remember if I reported > this info this site or not). So when the Toxo test came back neg, the vet > totally reversed gears from the day before (when he said he didn't think it > was FIP b/c Brumley only test pos. for high globulin and high protein, but > not a corona virus, antibody, etc.). So he completely went back on that and > said, basically, he thinks it's FIP b/c he has nothing else to go on and b/c > Brumley is showing 2 of the 3 indicators of it (but still no "wet" > indicators like the swollen belly). I think it's the eye that is really > throwing him off and I can't for the love of god, get any vet to > explain/diagnose/tell me what to with that eye. I have asked if I should be > putting anything in it and both the conventional vet and my holistic vet > just say "no." So, I had a phone consult about Brumley with my holistic vet > and she reviewed the blood work and said she doesn't think it's FIP- that a > severely dehydrated cat will have high globulin and high protein in the > blood panel. And the fact that is his neg. for corona- she just doesn't > think it's FIP. She has of course treated FIP cats/kittens and had some > herself and she told me she has NEVER seen the "dry" form of FIP in a kitten > (Brum's 7 mths)-- only in older, adult cats does the dry form come out. She > said she always sees it in kittens in the clear wet form with the swollen > belly and other signs of fluid retention and then they die quickly. And > Brum's been lingering on like this for a while now > > So, I just went about feeding him and making him comfy- moving him into > the room with the other other guys (he'd already been exposed to them before > I had him); stopped the subcu fluids b/c I didn't think he needs them. I > guess it's been two weeks since then and he just kind of hangs out-- eats- > he always eats good- no matter what. But about last week he seemed to lose > some personality and he laid around a lot and stopped batting around toys. > By this past Sun., my mom and I were discussing that he had gone down, down > and we were worried. I don't have a thermometer for cats, but I could tell > he had a fever and just felt crappy (altho he still eats and drinks water > when feeling bad!). I gave him a fluid treatment- I thought his pink looked > really white and thought it couldn't hurt. The fluid bump hung around > forever tho? I got him in to see the holistic vet on Monday evening and my > mom took him. *The Dr. kind of laughed off my mom's concerns that Brumley > was going to die and that his eye looked horrible. She told my mom she > thinks he has something else going on besides the eye-- like some kind of > infection somewhere else in the body, but she doesn't know where. *So she > wanted me to stop his Clavamox and try some other immune boosting things. > Again, my mom asked about the eye and should we be putting anything in it to > treat it, and the Dr. was just like no. > > So of course, Brum was better just the next day (Tues.) and I could tell > the fever broke. He was batting around a toy the very next morning. Still > eating great. > > But then by Wed. night, he was just sleeping the whole time in a cubby > hole, seemed to have a fever again and not playing (still eating tho). So I > thought, well maybe his holistic vet is right, he is working on fighting off > some infection and when it gets too hard for his body to fight it, he > succumbs a little bit and the fever comes back, etc. So, this morning, it's > the same. Lots of sleeping and fever still around. *Even worse, his eye > looks worse. I swear, it looks like the cavity or something is filled with > blood b.c the eye appears to be a diff't color than the other and you can > see that it looks like blood behind the eye. So now, it looks "bloodier" > and as if the blood has settled down to the bottom of the eye more- like it > pooled there. And now, there are even more cloudy/greyish white spots on > the surface of the eyeball. *Ugh. I'm worried. But my mom is worse-- > she's a worry-wart prone to histrionics and having these two sick/down cats > (Brum and Possum) with her around, literally sucks my will to live. She > just wants to keep running Brumley to vets b/c she thinks he needs something > put into the eyeball and then she asks me "how long can this go on" (meaning > how long do we give Brumley a chance to fight this off- which I now recall > is the same GD thing my stupid sister said to me about Monkee after the > blood transfusion...sigh). And it's just killing me- the stress. She > totally makes it worse, so keeping her at bay is a draining task too. > > Plus, it's like, this isn't even my cat! He technically belongs to the > no-kill group I vol for, yet I am the only one dealing with the stress of > his care and illness!!!! It's only the other run-of-the-mill vols that call > me and ask about him. But his original foster, and the lady who is I guess > "in charge" and the bane of my existence and she's also on the board (sigh)- > she doesn't even ask about him anymore! She had a teleph. convo with my > holistic vet before I first talked to the vet about Brum where she actually > told the vet, "well you know, we're going to lose some of them" and now my > vet won't deal with her due to that comment (and rightfully so), b/c it's > like, you pulled these kittens out of Metro AC in June and they have > struggled ever since and Brumley's in the condition he's in, in part because > of lack of care and attention by this group and so now, we're just going to > "play the numbers" and let him linger on until death instead of getting the > necessary vet care for a cat that we agreed to take on the minute he was > pulled from Metro?!? I could scream. > > I'm so frustrated. > > *I think I can take a picture of Brumley's eye tonight with my webcam and > email it, so if anyone is willing to take a look at it, let me know so I can > email it directly b/c this site won't take it if I try to send to all. I > would really just like to hear someone say "yeah, I've seen that before!" > when it comes to his eye- instead of these two vets who act like they have > never seen it before and don't address the eye care directly... * > > caroline > > ------------------------------ > Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 08:39:55 -0800 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > Caroline, > > Bless you for taking care of these babies. You are truly going above and > beyond and it sounds like you've found your calling. I hope you got > conclusive yet good news for the sick kitten on Friday. > > :) > Wendy > > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can > change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ > Margaret Meade ~~~ > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:39:08 PM > Subject: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up > > Okay, the results are not all in, but I finally talked to the Vet about > the blood tests from the sick kitten I took in- which he suspect FIP in. > The cat was NEGATIVE for Felv (so that's the second time he's tested neg.- > first at approx. 2 mths old, now at 6 mths). He NEGATIVE for FIV (which he > had not yet been tested for ever). The vet also says that so far, it looks > like it's not FIP and he talked about how there is no conclusive test, etc., > so for now, he has to go by the presence of antibodies- which he says are > usually higher if the cat has "dry" FIP and then even higher if it's "wet" > FIP. He says the antibodies are just not high enough to for it to be FIP- > either the dry or wet form. So he remains concerned tho that it's a an > infectious ( i.e., contagious) disease. *What he is waiting on now is the > toxoplasmosis test b/c now he is suspecting that.* He said the results of > that test will be in tomorrow. He also said the blood is showing high > globulin levels and high white blood cells- both of which indicate some kind > of an infection, but he just doesn't know what kind yet. > I do have a phone consultation appointment tomorrow at 5:00 with the > holistic vet (Marylyn-- Dr. Maier) who treated Monkee at the end of his life > and whom Monkee loved- at a time when he was utterly miserable and fed up > with vets! We are consulting on this kitten and then also to discuss > general care of fosters and things I can do holistically to help them rehab > faster. I may end up taking Yoda to her anyway b/c of the diarrhea that I > can't get traditional vets to address. Hopefully, I will have the blood > tests results on my sick kitten emailed to me before then, so I can forward > them to her for her review and "second" opinion. I feel better because I am > finally getting some freaking vets lined up so that I can finally take care > of these fosters without always feeling like I'm supposed to do so without > ever having veterinary access unless a cat is pretty much dying in my arms. > Monkee died in my arms despite all the things we did to save him and there > is NO WAY I'm going to allow another cat to die in my arms- especially these > fosters who seem to have totally treatable (possibly preventable) things > going on with them! Urg. So we continue to forge ahead. > Poor kitty feels so much better and I'm worried about continuing to give > him fluids. Dr. Maier said in an email that if he is doing that much better > and has had 3 treatments of subcu fluids, it's probably not necessary to do > them today. But when I talked to the conventional vet that saw the cat on > Monday, he said to continue them b/c "extra fluids are extra fluids," "it > can't really hurt him" (I beg to differ- it's very traumatic b/c it's just > me and him in a contest of wills and strength and it's pretty horrible- he > gets that huge needle out everytime and I have to re-stick him-- which is > hell for me and him), and "without really seeing the cat, he can't tell me > to discontinue fluids." Well, my mom and I have discussed it and I'm doing > them tonight. It's too much on him and me. He's feeling too "good" now so > that he really fights the fluid giving. I always recall that Dr. Maier- in > all her holistic wisdom- said (when I first took Monkee to her), that "you > don't want the treatment to be worse than the disease." I think that solves > my dilemma for now. > Caroline > > > > The best games are on Xbox 360. Click here for a special offer on an Xbox > 360 Console. 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