Ah, but you *are* his angel, whether he realizes or not. It's such a
blessing this little furball met you, Caroline.


[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up

Thanks- I will do so tonight when I get home.  
I did talk with the holistic vet again and she said when she saw the
eye, she thought it reminded her of the scarring that can occur on a
kitten's eye from reoccurring/untreated URI's-- all of which he did
have, that came and went repeatedly, while the poor thing lingered in a
condo and I just didn't get to him fast enough (b/c there were other
kittens at the time languishing with things that seemed more serious
that I needed to take in 1st).  So, I understand now why she didn't
think we needed to put anything in it- b/c she thought it was permanent
damage (which is what I was hoping I would be in time to stop/prevent).
She said if it was scarring like she initially thought, I wouldn't be
seeing more cloudy spots.  So she asked if he was having discharge and
told me what to give him based on that.  But he really doesn't have a
discharge other than crusty brown that he has from both eyes (the
healthy one too).  He does not have green/yellow/white discharge, or
even excessive brown discharge from this eye.  So I asked her a
follow-up ? based on that and I'm waiting to hear back.  
I have to give his eye a good look tonight and try to really determine
if things have changed with it.  He so squirmy with me right now.  He
looks like a sack of bones and yet, he's so strong when he wants to
squirm away.  And he definitely doesn't see me as his "angel" because he
runs away from me everytime he sees me!  He thinks of me as the
treatment monster!


        Subject: RE: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up
        Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:32:43 -0600
        From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
        Caroline, altho I unfortunately won't be able to offer any
diagnostic suggestions myself, if you can send the pic to me at
        I can try forwarding it to more experienced people.
        I can well imagine how frustrated you must be. Thank goodness
the little soul can rely on *you* for care and love.
        hugs, Kerry

        From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline
        Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:31 PM
        To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
        Subject: RE: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up
        The saga continues with my sick cat Brumley.  I don't know what
to do any more.  The conventional vet that saw him on Dec. 24 got the
results back from the Toxoplasmosis test and is was neg. (I can't
remember if I reported this info this site or not).  So when the Toxo
test came back neg, the vet totally reversed gears from the day before
(when he said he didn't think it was FIP b/c Brumley only test pos. for
high globulin and high protein, but not a corona virus, antibody, etc.).
So he completely went back on that and said, basically, he thinks it's
FIP b/c he has nothing else to go on and b/c Brumley is showing 2 of the
3 indicators of it (but still no "wet" indicators like the swollen
belly).  I think it's the eye that is really throwing him off and I
can't for the love of god, get any vet to explain/diagnose/tell me what
to with that eye.  I have asked if I should be putting anything in it
and both the conventional vet and my holistic vet just say "no."  So, I
had a phone consult about Brumley with my holistic vet and she reviewed
the blood work and said she doesn't think it's FIP- that a severely
dehydrated cat will have high globulin and high protein in the blood
panel.  And the fact that is his neg. for corona- she just doesn't think
it's FIP.  She has of course treated FIP cats/kittens and had some
herself and she told me she has NEVER seen the "dry" form of FIP in a
kitten (Brum's 7 mths)-- only in older, adult cats does the dry form
come out.  She said she always sees it in kittens in the clear wet form
with the swollen belly and other signs of fluid retention and then they
die quickly.  And Brum's been lingering on like this for a while now  
        So, I just went about feeding him and making him comfy- moving
him into the room with the other other guys (he'd already been exposed
to them before I had him); stopped the subcu fluids b/c I didn't think
he needs them.  I guess it's been two weeks since then and he just kind
of hangs out-- eats- he always eats good- no matter what.  But about
last week he seemed to lose some personality and he laid around a lot
and stopped batting around toys.  By this past Sun., my mom and I were
discussing that he had gone down, down and we were worried.  I don't
have a thermometer for cats, but I could tell he had a fever and just
felt crappy (altho he still eats and drinks water when feeling bad!).  I
gave him a fluid treatment- I thought his pink looked really white and
thought it couldn't hurt.  The fluid bump hung around forever tho?  I
got him in to see the holistic vet on Monday evening and my mom took
him.  The Dr. kind of laughed off my mom's concerns that Brumley was
going to die and that his eye looked horrible.  She told my mom she
thinks he has something else going on besides the eye-- like some kind
of infection somewhere else in the body, but she doesn't know where.  So
she wanted me to stop his Clavamox and try some other immune boosting
things.  Again, my mom asked about the eye and should we be putting
anything in it to treat it, and the Dr. was just like no.  
        So of course, Brum was better just the next day (Tues.) and I
could tell the fever broke.  He was batting around a toy the very next
morning.  Still eating great.
        But then by Wed. night, he was just sleeping the whole time in a
cubby hole, seemed to have a fever again and not playing (still eating
tho).  So I thought, well maybe his holistic vet is right, he is working
on fighting off some infection and when it gets too hard for his body to
fight it, he succumbs a little bit and the fever comes back, etc.  So,
this morning, it's the same.  Lots of sleeping and fever still around.
Even worse, his eye looks worse.  I swear, it looks like the cavity or
something is filled with blood b.c the eye appears to be a diff't color
than the other and you can see that it looks like blood behind the eye.
So now, it looks "bloodier" and as if the blood has settled down to the
bottom of the eye more- like it pooled there.  And now, there are even
more cloudy/greyish white spots on the surface of the eyeball.  Ugh.
I'm worried.  But my mom is worse-- she's a worry-wart prone to
histrionics and having these two sick/down cats (Brum and Possum) with
her around, literally sucks my will to live.  She just wants to keep
running Brumley to vets b/c she thinks he needs something put into the
eyeball and then she asks me "how long can this go on" (meaning how long
do we give Brumley a chance to fight this off- which I now recall is the
same GD thing my stupid sister said to me about Monkee after the blood
transfusion...sigh).  And it's just killing me- the stress.  She totally
makes it worse, so keeping her at bay is a draining task too.  
        Plus, it's like, this isn't even my cat!  He technically belongs
to the no-kill group I vol for, yet I am the only one dealing with the
stress of his care and illness!!!!  It's only the other run-of-the-mill
vols that call me and ask about him.  But his original foster, and the
lady who is I guess "in charge" and the bane of my existence and she's
also on the board (sigh)- she doesn't even ask about him anymore!  She
had a teleph. convo with my holistic vet before I first talked to the
vet about Brum where she actually told the vet, "well you know, we're
going to lose some of them" and now my vet won't deal with her due to
that comment (and rightfully so), b/c it's like, you pulled these
kittens out of Metro AC in June and they have struggled ever since and
Brumley's in the condition he's in, in part because of lack of care and
attention by this group and so now, we're just going to "play the
numbers" and let him linger on until death instead of getting the
necessary vet care for a cat that we agreed to take on the minute he was
pulled from Metro?!?  I could scream.    
        I'm so frustrated.  
        I think I can take a picture of Brumley's eye tonight with my
webcam and email it, so if anyone is willing to take a look at it, let
me know so I can email it directly b/c this site won't take it if I try
to send to all.  I would really just like to hear someone say "yeah,
I've seen that before!" when it comes to his eye- instead of these two
vets who act like they have never seen it before and don't address the
eye care directly...


                Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 08:39:55 -0800
                From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
                Subject: Re: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up
                To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
                Bless you for taking care of these babies.  You are
truly going above and beyond and it sounds like you've found your
calling.  I hope you got conclusive yet good news for the sick kitten on
                "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed
citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever
has!"     ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ 

                ----- Original Message ----
                From: Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
                To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
                Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:39:08 PM
                Subject: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up
                Okay, the results are not all in, but I finally talked
to the Vet about the blood tests from the sick kitten I took in- which
he suspect FIP in.  The cat was NEGATIVE for Felv (so that's the second
time he's tested neg.- first at approx. 2 mths old, now at 6 mths).  He
NEGATIVE for FIV (which he had not yet been tested for ever).  The vet
also says that so far, it looks like it's not FIP and he talked about
how there is no conclusive test, etc., so for now, he has to go by the
presence of antibodies- which he says are usually higher if the cat has
"dry" FIP and then even higher if it's "wet" FIP.  He says the
antibodies are just not high enough to for it to be FIP- either the dry
or wet form.  So he remains concerned tho that it's a an infectious
(i.e., contagious) disease.  What he is waiting on now is the
toxoplasmosis test b/c now he is suspecting that.  He said the results
of that test will be in tomorrow.  He also said the blood is showing
high globulin levels and high white blood cells- both of which indicate
some kind of an infection, but he just doesn't know what kind yet.  
                I do have a phone consultation appointment tomorrow at
5:00 with the holistic vet (Marylyn-- Dr. Maier) who treated Monkee at
the end of his life and whom Monkee loved- at a time when he was utterly
miserable and fed up with vets!  We are consulting on this kitten and
then also to discuss general care of fosters and things I can do
holistically to help them rehab faster.  I may end up taking Yoda to her
anyway b/c of the diarrhea that I can't get traditional vets to address.
Hopefully, I will have the blood tests results on my sick kitten emailed
to me before then, so I can forward them to her for her review and
"second" opinion.  I feel better because I am finally getting some
freaking vets lined up so that I can finally take care of these fosters
without always feeling like I'm supposed to do so without ever having
veterinary access unless a cat is pretty much dying in my arms.  Monkee
died in my arms despite all the things we did to save him and there is
NO WAY I'm going to allow another cat to die in my arms- especially
these fosters who seem to have totally treatable (possibly preventable)
things going on with them!  Urg.  So we continue to forge ahead.
                Poor kitty feels so much better and I'm worried about
continuing to give him fluids.  Dr. Maier said in an email that if he is
doing that much better and has had 3 treatments of subcu fluids, it's
probably not necessary to do them today.  But when I talked to the
conventional vet that saw the cat on Monday, he said to continue them
b/c "extra fluids are extra fluids," "it can't really hurt him" (I beg
to differ- it's very traumatic b/c it's just me and him in a contest of
wills and strength and it's pretty horrible- he gets that huge needle
out everytime and I have to re-stick him-- which is hell for me and
him), and "without really seeing the cat, he can't tell me to
discontinue fluids."  Well, my mom and I have discussed it and I'm doing
them tonight.  It's too much on him and me.  He's feeling too "good" now
so that he really fights the fluid giving.  I always recall that Dr.
Maier- in all her holistic wisdom- said (when I first took Monkee to
her), that "you don't want the treatment to be worse than the disease."
I think that solves my dilemma for now.
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