Thanks MC,  I'll check that site.  I tried the clothespins to no avail.  He's 
so fat *which is a good thing in this situation I guess* they just popped off. 

MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
    i THINK it was on this list that i first saw the reference, and i'm pretty 
sure it's on one of the big crf sites--hopefully someone here can help. there's 
a page that shows how to "clip" a cat in the same way that momcat's scruff 
them, to immobilize them, and make it possible to hydrate them by yourself.

earlier this year, winn feline foundation ( actually 
did research on this technique, using a variety of commonly found household 
clips, so that you do NOT have to go out and buy the cat-specific one.... i 
can't find ANYTHING these days, so hopefully someone else saves these things in 
a more logical way..... 

  On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:27 PM, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
    His creat is 2.5.
  He will come to me and let me stick him, but then he struggles to get away. 
Maybe I should try putting him in a carrier?
  Most of the pages I saw had 2 people to help, and I don't have anyone here 
but me.

Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

            Tonya, you just do what you can do.  For a CRF kitty with a Crea 
value in the high 3's daily fluids are generally needed to maintain adequate 
hydration.  Add water to the canned food to increase his water intake.  Set out 
lots of bowls of water in various places to encourage him to drink.  Mine love 
to drink from a bowl in the bath tub.
  For me fluids take less than 5 minutes from start to finish but I do not warm 
the fluids.  Never did and mine are fine with that.  But each kitty is 
different as to what they will tolerate.  Could you manage EOD (every other 
  In the end we do what we can and hope for the best.  Luckily I'm retired.  
Between my CRF Pequita, Sissy and Rocket with FeLV+ quarantined in my bedroom 
and Daisy's 4 FeLV+ babies quarantined out in the garage my 2 healthy kitties 
don't get much attention right now.   And I have a dumpster colony I feed daily 
and am trying to set up a TNR program for.  
  Obviously your Mom and Grandmother take priority.  I'll say a prayer for both 
of them

--- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods
Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:20 AM

    Thank you so much Sharyl,
  I ordered some of the phosphorous binder. I hope it helps.  Both you and 
Belinda said you didn't think I should be giving fluids only once a week. how 
many times a week do you think I should give them.  Daily is just not doable.  
I have 3 very sick cats, plus a sick grandmother and very sick mother to take 
care of right now..........  I know I'm making excuses, but I can only do what 
I can do..........

Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
            Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest 
phos canned food they will eat.  Generally the target is less than 1% (dry 
matter).  Here is a link to a list of foods and the dry matter phos levels.
  You vet should have several prescription renal foods.  Mine refused to eat 
any of them.  What is your kitty's phos level?  If it is over 6.0 you can add 
Dried Aluminum Hydroxide Gel to the canned or dry food.  It is a very effective 
phos binder but it has to be in all the food you cat eats.  By adding the 
binder to the food you reduce the amount of phos the cat absorbs from the food. 
 Binders do not do anything about the phos currently in your cats system.  Just 
gives you cats kidneys a break while they process what is already there.  Here 
is a link to more info on binders.
  About Phosphorus Binders 
  Dr. Nagode's dose recommendations are toward the bottom.   Unfortunately most 
vets do not understand the impact high phos has on a CRF kitty.   Most will try 
to sell you Epakitin which is pretty worthless for high phos nos.  You can buy 
the aluminum hydroxide on line.   No Rx required.    
  Tanya's web site is the most comprehensive I have found for CRF.
  The largest Yahoo CRF group is here.
  Eating is often an issue for a CRF kitty.  Just like FeLV+ kitties it is 
critical for CRF kitties to eat enough to maintain their ideal body wt.  There 
is a Yahoo Assist Feeding group as well.
  Let me know if you need any other info.  Unfortunately my life had revolved 
around CRF kitties for the last  2 1/2 yrs. 

--- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods
To: "" <>
Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 10:11 AM

    can anyone tell me what numbers are considered to be 'low' for a crf cat. 
or better yet give me brand names??
  thanks in advance. tonya

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