I am so sorry this has happened to you and River.  River is a beautiful name, 
btw, and one I gave to a rescue cat we took in recently.  I don't know what 
to say other than I am hoping you someday find peace with what has happened 
knowing your intentions were only the best, and you only wanted to help her.  

Some of these types of shelters have come a long way, but still have a long way 
to go.  They can be ignorant and misinformed and how could you have known this? 

Best to you, 


From: Alev Durmus <>
To: "" <>
Sent: Tue, October 16, 2012 1:12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] "No-kill" animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat

Hi Christiane,

Thank you so much...I am so sorry to find out about all these a little too 
late...Yes, they show kittens, young cats, but very few seniors on their 
for adoption...They are a kill shelter and people do not know this. People are 
happily donating money thinking they are helping the animals, but they are 
helping them to be killed too. What can I do to change this? I want to send 
an email, what should I say? I want to say the right things and not sound like 
crazy  woman...

Thank you so much for your kind words, maybe River will be the reason that this 
shelter does something about their policy. You (and the animals in that area) 
are very lucky. Take care,

 From: Christiane Biagi <>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 12:49 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk]  "No-kill" animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat

The caveat to the “no kill” (as defined in the Asilomar Accords) is that all it 
means is they will not kill adoptable animals.  Unfortunately, its up to the 
individual shelter/rescue to define what they consider “adoptable”.  All too 
often, facilities that advertise themselves as “no kill” really mean that they 
will kill all ill, senior, problem behavior, etc. animals but never kill a 
healthy easily adoptable animals.  These kinds of facilities never ever publish 
their "euthanasia matrix” which is where they define their policy on who they 
will kill.  True no kills (as we think it means & as defined by Nathan 
are tough to find.  I volunteer for one such shelter in New Orleans (ARNO) & 
handful of animals they’ve put down have been terminally  ill animals who were 
either comatose or in intractable pain.  They never put down for fiv or felv!  

The shelter you cited clearly is a kill shelter & why they wouldn’t have 
you to the cat’s test results & given you some time demonstrates an attitude 
that is unfortunately all too common.  I’m so sorry this happened to you but 
please know that River had love from you—something she likely hadn’t had in a 
very long time.
From:Felvtalk [] On Behalf Of Alev 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:15 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] "No-kill" animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat
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