To prevent the disease, you need to treat it and vets do not seem to get that. Only by treating and learning about it can we prevent it.
---- Ardy Robertson <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you very much for this information Amani. > > Possibly another reason they don’t want to treat FeLV+ cats is that they > somehow feel “getting rid” of them is helping to not spread the disease. My > thought is that most spreading is probably done from mother cat to baby, and > of course in those rare homes that have very large numbers of > poorly-cared-for cats. They are not really trusting owners of FeLV+ cats to > be responsible enough to not allow it to spread. I have also now read that > cats that are over 11 months of age probably have enough of an immune system > to not get the disease even if they are near positive cats. Although I would > not take that chance and ever let them run outdoors or be around other cats. > > Thanks, > > Ardy > > > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Amani Oakley > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:03 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R)) > > > > Arty, again, this is an email I tried to post early this morning, but for > some reason it didn’t go through to the Listserve, so I am reposting: > > > > > > > > From: Amani Oakley > Sent: October-21-15 11:51 AM > To: '[email protected]' > Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R)) > > > > Arty, the Winstrol is an anabolic steroid so it really just works by bulking > up the body, repairing damaged tissue, and also has a strong ability to treat > serious anemia by working directly on the red blood cell producing cells in > the bone marrow and erythropoietin production in the kidneys. Erythropoietin > is the substance that the body produces that tells it to make more red cells. > > > > It is NOT the same kind of steroid as prednisolone, etc., so it can be used > with other types of steroids, with pain meds and with antibiotics, etc., > without interfering with their activity. > > > > My frustration comes from the fact that this drug was basically pulled > because it is associated with doping scandals in professional athletes (they > use it to become stronger and faster and to heal and recover from workouts > faster), so it became a drug whose name you can’t mention and is tough to get > sometimes. Also, there was a scientific study suggesting liver damage with > its use, but the rest of the scientific literature just doesn’t seem to have > borne this out and it certainly isn’t my experience. So here we have this > relatively inexpensive, fairly effective option, with little downside risk, > and quick effects usually, and the vets would rather tell us there is no hope > and to euthanize our cats, than suggest this medication. > > > > I just don’t get it, and I have some very good friends who are high up in the > echelons of the vet community, so believe me when I tell you that I have had > this discussion on many occasions! > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ardy > Robertson > Sent: October-20-15 11:10 PM > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R)) > > > > Thank you so much Amani – it really sounds like you have done your homework!! > And that’s just it – this happened so fast and took us so off-guard that I > didn’t have any knowledge of what to do. We took him in on a Sunday night, > and after putting some “puzzle pieces” together, I think he was getting sick > for a while and I just did not pick up on it. We had been gone for a couple > days, then we had company at our house so he was kind of out of sight and I > figured he just didn’t like the people, when actually he usually loves > people. He had felt hot a couple of times, but both times he was lying on a > window sill with the sun shining directly on him. Our regular vet was out so > a different animal hospital was filling in. They gave him fluids and > antibiotics as well as pain liquid and sent us home. No blood test. > > > > The next day our regular vet did xrays and found an enlarged lymph node > somewhere near his tummy I think, so that’s why they did the blood work and > found the FeLV. They were also the ones that did the FeLV test 5 years prior > when we found him as a kitten. They changed to an antibiotic 10-day shot for > what they thought was a bite from another cat that we had taken in (who tests > negative). That cat was a very aggressive player and really made Tigger > nervous and stressed out so we don’t have her anymore. > > > > I am going to read about Winstrol and also talk to both of our vet offices > about it. The reason I am using two vet offices is because our regular one is > 35 miles away and Tigger has needed to go in sometimes 5 times a week so we > started taking him to one in our city that Tigger didn’t like very much but > now they have different vets and they seem nicer to him. They have all > apologized that they really don’t know much about treating FeLV+ cats and > also don’t know much about any of the medicines used. (I would think they > would want to read up on it now that they have a patient needing treatment.) > At any rate, I think if Tigger can make progress, not only will we be > thrilled, but it may change the outlook for other cats in the future. > > > > Is the Winstrol an immune-booster, or an anti-viral drug? I’m not even sure > how the Interferon works, or if it does? I asked our vet if Tigger needs > another blood test because I do not know where his blood counts are, or if it > is in his bone marrow. I think I now know some additional questions I can be > asking. > > > > Thank you so much! > > Ardy Robertson > > Osseo, Wisconsin > > > > > > > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Amani Oakley > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 9:24 PM > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R)) > > > > Ardy > > > > If you do decide to try the Winstrol, get his blood checked before and then > after a few weeks on the Winstrol. If this works as well for you as it did > for me, you will want some solid proof to demonstrate its effect. Hopefully, > the vet will learn, as mine did since I got weekly blood work when Zander was > on Interferon, then LTCI and then Winstrol. The blood work spoke for itself. > Again, I have to say I have not seen anything else work so well to increase > weight, stamina and appetite than the Winstrol so see if your vets will get > it for you to try out. > > > > Amani > > > > > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ardy > Robertson > Sent: October-20-15 10:13 PM > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R)) > > > > Hello – can I chime in here a bit? My cat Tigger is on Interferon (7 days on > then 7 days off and repeat) for FeLV. I think it might be helping but his > appetite is poor and I have to syringe feed him. Surprisingly a very large > syringe seems to work better than the small ones. I go slow to make sure I > don’t choke him and he might aspirate food into his lungs. For his comfort > (and mind) I fold a heavy bath towel in half and put it around him the same > way they do to us when we get our hair cut…then I clip it in back with a > large office binder-clip. He doesn’t feel like I am restraining him and has > actually gotten used to it, so less stress which is important for FeLV+ cats. > Also I do feed the critical care food thinned out a bit but when he got > constipated, my vet had me give him a couple tablespoons of pure pumpkin (no > spices) and it worked wonderfully. I know he needs calories of good quality, > but I think he also needs some carbs and bulk in order to keep regular, so I > mix some baby food chicken (the #1 kind for little babies) and some rice baby > cereal with some water. He does not seem to mind it. I also give him some > water. He has since started eating fairly well, but still not drinking as > much as he should. He is also on the appetite stimulant you mentioned. > > > > I had not heard about Winstrol before. The vets in my area have always > euthanized cats at the first mention of FeLV so treating Tigger is a big of a > learning experience for both of the offices that I take him to. I believe > taking him to both clinics is sort of giving him a second opinion and they > are both telling me they are learning about treating FeLV from him. Thank you > very much for allowing me to be a part of this group and learn. > > Ardy Robertson > > > _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list [email protected] http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
