My FeLV cat, Ruthie, has nonregenerative anemia. She was started on Epogen 2 weeks ago. No improvement yet. I mentioned Winstrol to our Vet. She didn't think it would be effective, and there is the concern for liver problems. But she said she would give it a try if I wanted to.
Christine On Oct 23, 2015 9:26 PM, "Kelley S" <[email protected]> wrote: > Parvo would be for dogs...cats cannot get parvo....I don't know of any > vets who recommend FIV vaccinations...they do not work well and the cat > will always test positive for FIV after... > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 6:50 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> To prevent the disease, you need to treat it and vets do not seem to get >> that. Only by treating and learning about it can we prevent it. >> >> ---- Ardy Robertson <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Thank you very much for this information Amani. >> > >> > Possibly another reason they don’t want to treat FeLV+ cats is that >> they somehow feel “getting rid” of them is helping to not spread the >> disease. My thought is that most spreading is probably done from mother cat >> to baby, and of course in those rare homes that have very large numbers of >> poorly-cared-for cats. They are not really trusting owners of FeLV+ cats to >> be responsible enough to not allow it to spread. I have also now read that >> cats that are over 11 months of age probably have enough of an immune >> system to not get the disease even if they are near positive cats. Although >> I would not take that chance and ever let them run outdoors or be around >> other cats. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Ardy >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >> Of Amani Oakley >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:03 PM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R)) >> > >> > >> > >> > Arty, again, this is an email I tried to post early this morning, but >> for some reason it didn’t go through to the Listserve, so I am reposting: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > From: Amani Oakley >> > Sent: October-21-15 11:51 AM >> > To: '[email protected]' >> > Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R)) >> > >> > >> > >> > Arty, the Winstrol is an anabolic steroid so it really just works by >> bulking up the body, repairing damaged tissue, and also has a strong >> ability to treat serious anemia by working directly on the red blood cell >> producing cells in the bone marrow and erythropoietin production in the >> kidneys. Erythropoietin is the substance that the body produces that tells >> it to make more red cells. >> > >> > >> > >> > It is NOT the same kind of steroid as prednisolone, etc., so it can be >> used with other types of steroids, with pain meds and with antibiotics, >> etc., without interfering with their activity. >> > >> > >> > >> > My frustration comes from the fact that this drug was basically pulled >> because it is associated with doping scandals in professional athletes >> (they use it to become stronger and faster and to heal and recover from >> workouts faster), so it became a drug whose name you can’t mention and is >> tough to get sometimes. Also, there was a scientific study suggesting liver >> damage with its use, but the rest of the scientific literature just doesn’t >> seem to have borne this out and it certainly isn’t my experience. So here >> we have this relatively inexpensive, fairly effective option, with little >> downside risk, and quick effects usually, and the vets would rather tell us >> there is no hope and to euthanize our cats, than suggest this medication. >> > >> > >> > >> > I just don’t get it, and I have some very good friends who are high up >> in the echelons of the vet community, so believe me when I tell you that I >> have had this discussion on many occasions! >> > >> > >> > >> > Amani >> > >> > >> > >> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >> Of Ardy Robertson >> > Sent: October-20-15 11:10 PM >> > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R)) >> > >> > >> > >> > Thank you so much Amani – it really sounds like you have done your >> homework!! And that’s just it – this happened so fast and took us so >> off-guard that I didn’t have any knowledge of what to do. We took him in on >> a Sunday night, and after putting some “puzzle pieces” together, I think he >> was getting sick for a while and I just did not pick up on it. We had been >> gone for a couple days, then we had company at our house so he was kind of >> out of sight and I figured he just didn’t like the people, when actually he >> usually loves people. He had felt hot a couple of times, but both times he >> was lying on a window sill with the sun shining directly on him. Our >> regular vet was out so a different animal hospital was filling in. They >> gave him fluids and antibiotics as well as pain liquid and sent us home. No >> blood test. >> > >> > >> > >> > The next day our regular vet did xrays and found an enlarged lymph node >> somewhere near his tummy I think, so that’s why they did the blood work and >> found the FeLV. They were also the ones that did the FeLV test 5 years >> prior when we found him as a kitten. They changed to an antibiotic 10-day >> shot for what they thought was a bite from another cat that we had taken in >> (who tests negative). That cat was a very aggressive player and really made >> Tigger nervous and stressed out so we don’t have her anymore. >> > >> > >> > >> > I am going to read about Winstrol and also talk to both of our vet >> offices about it. The reason I am using two vet offices is because our >> regular one is 35 miles away and Tigger has needed to go in sometimes 5 >> times a week so we started taking him to one in our city that Tigger didn’t >> like very much but now they have different vets and they seem nicer to him. >> They have all apologized that they really don’t know much about treating >> FeLV+ cats and also don’t know much about any of the medicines used. (I >> would think they would want to read up on it now that they have a patient >> needing treatment.) At any rate, I think if Tigger can make progress, not >> only will we be thrilled, but it may change the outlook for other cats in >> the future. >> > >> > >> > >> > Is the Winstrol an immune-booster, or an anti-viral drug? I’m not even >> sure how the Interferon works, or if it does? I asked our vet if Tigger >> needs another blood test because I do not know where his blood counts are, >> or if it is in his bone marrow. I think I now know some additional >> questions I can be asking. >> > >> > >> > >> > Thank you so much! >> > >> > Ardy Robertson >> > >> > Osseo, Wisconsin >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >> Of Amani Oakley >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 9:24 PM >> > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R)) >> > >> > >> > >> > Ardy >> > >> > >> > >> > If you do decide to try the Winstrol, get his blood checked before and >> then after a few weeks on the Winstrol. If this works as well for you as it >> did for me, you will want some solid proof to demonstrate its effect. >> Hopefully, the vet will learn, as mine did since I got weekly blood work >> when Zander was on Interferon, then LTCI and then Winstrol. The blood work >> spoke for itself. Again, I have to say I have not seen anything else work >> so well to increase weight, stamina and appetite than the Winstrol so see >> if your vets will get it for you to try out. >> > >> > >> > >> > Amani >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >> Of Ardy Robertson >> > Sent: October-20-15 10:13 PM >> > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R)) >> > >> > >> > >> > Hello – can I chime in here a bit? My cat Tigger is on Interferon (7 >> days on then 7 days off and repeat) for FeLV. I think it might be helping >> but his appetite is poor and I have to syringe feed him. Surprisingly a >> very large syringe seems to work better than the small ones. I go slow to >> make sure I don’t choke him and he might aspirate food into his lungs. For >> his comfort (and mind) I fold a heavy bath towel in half and put it around >> him the same way they do to us when we get our hair cut…then I clip it in >> back with a large office binder-clip. He doesn’t feel like I am restraining >> him and has actually gotten used to it, so less stress which is important >> for FeLV+ cats. Also I do feed the critical care food thinned out a bit but >> when he got constipated, my vet had me give him a couple tablespoons of >> pure pumpkin (no spices) and it worked wonderfully. I know he needs >> calories of good quality, but I think he also needs some carbs and bulk in >> order to keep regular, so I mix some baby food chicken (the #1 kind for >> little babies) and some rice baby cereal with some water. He does not seem >> to mind it. I also give him some water. He has since started eating fairly >> well, but still not drinking as much as he should. He is also on the >> appetite stimulant you mentioned. >> > >> > >> > >> > I had not heard about Winstrol before. The vets in my area have always >> euthanized cats at the first mention of FeLV so treating Tigger is a big of >> a learning experience for both of the offices that I take him to. I believe >> taking him to both clinics is sort of giving him a second opinion and they >> are both telling me they are learning about treating FeLV from him. Thank >> you very much for allowing me to be a part of this group and learn. >> > >> > Ardy Robertson >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > [email protected] > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >
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