Mark D Lew wrote:
On Jun 7, 2004, at 5:53 PM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote:
Oops. I didn't write what I really meant to say. I don't consider it a design flaw that syllables shift from one note to another, across system boundaries, but that it can happen that the syllable assigned to the last note of a particular staff in a score shifts to the first note of the beginning of whatever the next staff is in the score when the syllable count is changed, and that because of the guard system, shift lyrics cannot be used to undo this.
Ah, now I understand.
You mentioned this once before, but I've never experienced it. Can you be more specific? I don't understand how this would happen.
Easy enough to replicate: create a two stave, two measure score, with one part on staff one, the other on staff two. Use four half notes in each part, and assign syllables "one", "two", "three", and "four" to the notes in the top staff, and the syllables "five", "six", "seven" and "eight" to the notes in the bottom, with all notes in the same lyric space, for example verse 1. It doesn't matter what method you use to make the initial assignment, whether you edit lyrics and click assign, or type into score. Now, go to the edit lyrics dialog, where you will see the syllables entered in order, by staff, in the order in which you entered the first syllable of each staff. In the dialog box, between the first two syllables you assigned to notes, type the word "new " [note that this is four characters, the fourth being a space], and close the close the dialog by clicking on "OK". You will now find that where the first part had the syllables "one two three four", it now has "one new two three", with the syllable "four" on the next staff, and the syllable eight disappearing from the score completely.
Next, open the dialog box again, and delete the syllables "new", "two", and the intervenient space, and close the dialog box by clicking on "OK". Now you find that the first line reads "one three four five", and the other "six seven eight". Now, in the latter case, if you try to use the shift lyrics function to shift syllables to the right, you cannot shift the five onto the original staff. In similar manner, if you use type into score to delete new, and try to shift the lyrics to the left, you cannot shift "four" back to its original place.
In either case, it is trivial to correct this error using edit lyrics dialog box, if you understand what is happening. But since when you use "shift lyrics", you cannot shift lyrics from one staff to another, I submit that it is a design flaw that you can do so from "edit lyrics", and it would seem to me that the mechanism used by "shift lyrics" from shifting across staves could be used to prevent "edit lyrics from doing so as well.
ns.
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