Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Raymond Horton schrieb:
OK, if you approve, not only of David's disagreeing with Brahms (nothing wrong with that) but of the less-than-civil tone of his disagreement, (which takes it to a different level) than I will ask you to provide an example of a truly great composer that is an atheist.
Just for your information, Ryamond, I find this attitude far more offensive than anything David has said. I am an Atheist.
I also believe that this question is completely misleading, as not many people in the 18th or 19th century would admit to being an atheist, since it was dangerous, certainly for a composer.
I could name you a few where I personally suspect that they were atheists, but I fear this would lead to more controversal discussions.
Finally I would like to support David on the note that Brahms was indeed full of shit.
And you can stop reading here now, if this offends you.
Johannes
I am not offended by any of this discussion. I don't appreciate being attacked for quoting a source pertinent to the discussion. I think every composer should read that book. It is the atheists here who can't seem to abide a discussion. Why can't we handle the discussion? Why can't you go ahead and SAY who you "personally suspect were atheists"?
(Not that it matters, but I was an atheist, , or I thought I was an atheist, but I was probably an agnostic, for many years, btw.) Now I'm a mainstream Christian, Kerry-voting, left-wing Democrat. Again, I thought we were grown-ups. I quote Brahms, mention G_d, and all of a sudden, I'm Mark Furman or Hitler. _______________________________________________
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