On 5 Sep 2007 at 2:45, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:

> On 9/4/07, David W. Fenton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > You can't apply the practices of one place to another unless there
> > were demonstrated connections (like shared background of teachers,
> > and a Kapellmeister or two shuttling back and forth between them).
> > There was no "European" or "German"  practice -- just a whole lot of
> > little islands.
> 
> Well the connections DO exist in the examples I cited: Telemann,
> Graupner, and Fasch, all were candidates for the kantorate in Leipzig.

And you're switching contexts here. I was referring to your citation 
of "three of the leading centers of cantata composition in early 18th 
Germany." Those other places may or may not have any demonstrated 
connection to Leipzig. Absent such a connection, it's more an 
interesting observation than it is evidence applying to what Bach did 
in Leipzig.  

> all had been deeply involved with the musical life of Leipzig, they
> went to school and graduated in Leipzig.  All three of them personally
> knew Kuhnau. In fact, one of the audition pieces Graupner wrote was a
> Magnificat very much in the "Kuhnau" style. Fasch started a 2nd
> collegium in Leipzig, and later studied 16 weeks with Graupner in
> Darmstadt. Pisendel also studied for sometime in Darmstadt before he
> ended up in Dresden; Telemann worked with the Darmstadt kapelle for
> about 10 years while he was a music director in nearby Frankfurt, and
> knew Bach as well.

Based on what I know about the history of the music establishment in 
Salzburg, I don't think that it's that simple. In fact, substantial 
musical establishments had their own traditions that lasted through 
the various music directors, while each music director might have 
added his own minor innovations (including both musical style and 
disposition of the personnel). So, Pisendel may or may not have 
carried Darmstadt practices to Dresden. And so on. More evidence is 
needed to connect the practices of the two places than just the fact 
that he worked in both.

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> So no, these examples I cited aren't solitary islands of composers
> unaware of performance habits and normative styles. If anything. they
> were quite connected with each other on many levels.

Biographically, which is only a suggestive starting point towards 
demonstrating substantive connections between the practices of the 
different musical centers.

-- 
David W. Fenton                    http://dfenton.com
David Fenton Associates       http://dfenton.com/DFA/


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