Good thoughts John .... as usual. The accordion fold idea is good ...  
when it gets to ten or twelve actual pages of music, even that is  
pretty cumbersome  I think.  It appears to me that buying into not  
having to fill up every page and shifting systems to the next page as  
warranted is going to work the best ... in my case,  Cl., and Fl.  
really have the most notes to play .... so that's going to be  an  
interesting process ....


Thanks guys ...

Dean

On Nov 4, 2011, at 4:03 PM, John Howell wrote:

> At 3:28 PM -0700 11/4/11, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
>> As I'm sure you have all encountered,  I'm redoing parts for a rather
>> long Wind Ensemble transcription,  which, ergo,  has parts lasting up
>> to 6 or 7 pages (presently printed on both sides back to back).  A
>> group managed to read it reasonably well a few nights ago, but most
>> of the page turns occur with no breaks at all between measures.  What
>> is the best solution for this problem (if, in fact, there is one)?
>
> Put more rests in the parts!!!!  Seriously.
>
> But I ran into a similar problem with a Christmas
> Singalong Medley I wrote for our community string
> orchestra.  4-page parts, and nobody EVER has
> rests!  Of course for strings, we are supposed to
> share stands and one stand partner always has
> responsibility for page turns, but in a community
> group not everyone has had that training, and too
> many want to use individual stands.
>
> For wind ensemble using one player on each part
> there's no such provision and you can't count on
> having stand partners, so yes, it's a problem.
>
> The easiest solution is one used by the
> commercial music and recording industry for
> decades.  Don't print as booklets.  Print one
> side only, and tape the double pages together in
> an accordion-fold configuration.  (If you print
> double pages, the tape has to go on the back.)
> That way a page can be turned whenever the player
> has a hand free, without hiding the page that's
> still being played.  Back in the '60s I had to
> get used to the smell of ammonia on new prints
> from Ozalid blueprint machines, but they
> certainly did the job, and every professional
> music copying/printing shop turned them out all
> day long.
>
> Similarly, individual pages printed one side only
> can be lifted and moved over during very brief
> rests, or during times when one hand is free.
> That's handy and sometimes necessary in early
> music, when everyone is reading off score rather
> than individual parts.
>
> How can you tell whether one hand will be free?
> Aye, that's the rub.  You have to be able to play
> each instrument yourself, know what the
> fingerings are, and understand what's possible
> and what isn't.  You can't just guess (although I
> suppose you could ask players).  And even then,
> you may need to put only a few staves on a page
> and have an early page turn when it's possible,
> not when you run out of space at the bottom of a
> page.  That's standard in well-laid-out Broadway
> show books.  Just do NOT assume that you have to
> fill each page; you don't!
>
> John
>
>
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