Hi Darcy,

I just sent you the score - to get a more specific opinion.  But just so you 
and Christopher know what I'm facing here, this is the bridge of Bill Evans' 
"Five", in which not only are the measures divided as I describe, but the 
melody is overlaid in groups of 4 quarters in the space of three quarters (4:3 
tuplets), starting on the second beat of the 4/4 measure.  (Of course, these 
are two rhythmically symmetrical phrases, so you only have to solve it once).

I played the bass part to this hundreds of times and never once thought about 
how it might be notated.  This score supports my contention that there was 
extraordinary invention in Bill's rhythm - a largely ignored element when 
people discuss his music.

I'll send this to Christopher too.

Chuck


On Sep 16, 2012, at 2:11 PM, Darcy James Argue <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Chuck,
> 
> Chris has given you the solution for what you want (system-long measures with 
> barlines and time signatures added as expressions/articulations). 
> 
> Depending on the complexity of the part, and whether you need the drum part 
> to appear in the score, there is also the option of creating the drum part as 
> a completely separate Finale document.
> 
> Another option -- and I'm sure you've considered this -- might be to notate 
> the entire thing in 4/4, using accents to create the implied downbeats in the 
> horns etc. (and perhaps even a dashed line showing the implied meters). This 
> is a strategy that has worked well for my music in the past -- implying 
> different meters superimposed onto the 4/4 grid, without changing the actual 
> underlying time signature. 
> 
> This approach might not be suitable for what you've written, but it does have 
> the advantage of being much easier to do in Finale than asymmetrical 
> barlines, and also gives you consistent measure numbers in the drum part vs. 
> the other parts.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> - DJA
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> 
> 
> 
> On 16 Sep 2012, at 3:09 PM, Chuck Israels <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> I have a drum part with an independent time signature (that has been 
>> selected in the attributes for this staff), but I don't know how to rebar 
>> the music for the drum part.
>> 
>> All other parts have one measure of 4/4, 4 measures of 3/4, one measure of 
>> 4/4 and 4 measures of 3/4 again.  This adds up to 8 measures of 4/4 for the 
>> drummer, and I want the drummer to see only that - not to be distracted by 
>> what the other players are doing.  When I change the time signature on the 
>> drum part for the affected measures, the 3/4 measures are changed to 4/4, 
>> but there are too many bar lines, and too many beats.
>> 
>> What am I doing wrong?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
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