Hi Chuck,

Did you get the file I sent called "Five edited.mus"? I put the barlines in the 
alto 1 part only, and you can copy them to other staves.

If you want to enter them yourself, (Oh yeah, the drums, too!) they are in the 
Miscellaneous category, but I assigned it to the metatool B (for Barline!) so 
you can enter them easily. I copied it from one of the default files supplied 
with Fin2102, but I thickened it from 3.5 EVPUs to match your existing barlines 
at 4.5 EVPUs.

Christopher


On Sun Sep 16, at SundaySep 16 9:17 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:

> Dear Christopher,
> 
> Thanks - still missing bar lines though.  Where do I find them as expressions 
> so I can place them in the part?
> 
> And, thanks for the suggestions about the text repeats.  I will try to get 
> them to look and work right.  I never did get around to working out the 
> routine of showing and hiding double entries of those expressions so that I 
> could have sensible looking MM rests.
> 
> Fond regards,
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> On Sep 16, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Christopher Smith 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> BTW, Chuck, I was looking through the score, and I notice you use 
>> expressions instead of Repeat Tool expressions. I, too, used to do that, 
>> because the Repeat Tool items were so unpredictable, but there is something 
>> that might persuade you to come back to the Repeat Tool for DSes, To Coda 
>> signs and the like. It's that they APPEAR on parts even when they are in the 
>> last measure of a multimeasure rest! Regular expressions do not, and you 
>> have to break the multimeasure rest as you have done, or else re-enter them 
>> in the parts and hide them in the score.
>> 
>> I don't know exactly when this happened, but I noticed it in 2012b.
>> 
>> C
>> 
>> On Sun Sep 16, at SundaySep 16 8:06 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Chuck, 
>>> 
>>> I just sent you an edited version. Because of the tuplets, the 1/4 solution 
>>> won't be optimal. I used my solution instead.
>>> 
>>> Hey, it's great that there ARE so many ways around this!
>>> 
>>> Christopher
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun Sep 16, at SundaySep 16 6:43 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Darcy,
>>>> 
>>>> I just sent you the score - to get a more specific opinion.  But just so 
>>>> you and Christopher know what I'm facing here, this is the bridge of Bill 
>>>> Evans' "Five", in which not only are the measures divided as I describe, 
>>>> but the melody is overlaid in groups of 4 quarters in the space of three 
>>>> quarters (4:3 tuplets), starting on the second beat of the 4/4 measure.  
>>>> (Of course, these are two rhythmically symmetrical phrases, so you only 
>>>> have to solve it once).
>>>> 
>>>> I played the bass part to this hundreds of times and never once thought 
>>>> about how it might be notated.  This score supports my contention that 
>>>> there was extraordinary invention in Bill's rhythm - a largely ignored 
>>>> element when people discuss his music.
>>>> 
>>>> I'll send this to Christopher too.
>>>> 
>>>> Chuck
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 16, 2012, at 2:11 PM, Darcy James Argue <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Chuck,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris has given you the solution for what you want (system-long measures 
>>>>> with barlines and time signatures added as expressions/articulations). 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Depending on the complexity of the part, and whether you need the drum 
>>>>> part to appear in the score, there is also the option of creating the 
>>>>> drum part as a completely separate Finale document.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Another option -- and I'm sure you've considered this -- might be to 
>>>>> notate the entire thing in 4/4, using accents to create the implied 
>>>>> downbeats in the horns etc. (and perhaps even a dashed line showing the 
>>>>> implied meters). This is a strategy that has worked well for my music in 
>>>>> the past -- implying different meters superimposed onto the 4/4 grid, 
>>>>> without changing the actual underlying time signature. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> This approach might not be suitable for what you've written, but it does 
>>>>> have the advantage of being much easier to do in Finale than asymmetrical 
>>>>> barlines, and also gives you consistent measure numbers in the drum part 
>>>>> vs. the other parts.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> 
>>>>> - DJA
>>>>> -----
>>>>> WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 16 Sep 2012, at 3:09 PM, Chuck Israels <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have a drum part with an independent time signature (that has been 
>>>>>> selected in the attributes for this staff), but I don't know how to 
>>>>>> rebar the music for the drum part.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> All other parts have one measure of 4/4, 4 measures of 3/4, one measure 
>>>>>> of 4/4 and 4 measures of 3/4 again.  This adds up to 8 measures of 4/4 
>>>>>> for the drummer, and I want the drummer to see only that - not to be 
>>>>>> distracted by what the other players are doing.  When I change the time 
>>>>>> signature on the drum part for the affected measures, the 3/4 measures 
>>>>>> are changed to 4/4, but there are too many bar lines, and too many beats.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What am I doing wrong?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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