I feel your pain on the bug reporting. Because I essentially never touch my keypad, I never knew about the enter key repitch technique. Very handy, that.
I'm not sure I understand why I would want no accis on a chromatic transposing staff, but I'll bite. What's your technique? On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Christopher Smith < [email protected]> wrote: > Hi Robert, > > Chuck explained it better. Repitch an EXISTING chord in Speedy by holding > down the new notes on the MIDI keyboard (when the Speedy cursor is on the > chord) and hitting Enter. > > Yes, I am in 2012c. I tried to track it down briefly just now, but didn't > get it to show. I do, however, often see it. I have spend so much time > confirming bugs and finding exact procedures to get them to show and > submitting them, only to be told, "Oh yeah, that's been noted and put on > the list to fix already" and then nothing happens for years, if at all. > > If I ever find a procedure that absolutely shows the bug, I'll post it. On > the other hand, I have a procedure for entering a passage on a > chromatically transposing staff that will not allow an accidental to show > at all. This works 100% of the time since 2008. Let me know if you want to > see it. > > Christopher > > > On Sat Oct 13, at SaturdayOct 13 9:50 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: > > > You say by "hitting enter" but in my setup that does nothing. Could you > > elaborate the procedure in detail? When I hold down a chord on the midi > > keyboard, I have to hit a number for anything to happen. > > > > Also, please confirm you are using Fin2012. > > > > On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Christopher Smith < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Hi Robert, > >> > >> I meant turn the chord into a different one by holding it down on the > MIDI > >> keyboard and hitting Enter. If you have any notes that have been > >> enharmonically flipped in the original chord, then the spelling can act > >> weird in the new chord. Obviously, this will show better if there ARE > >> altered notes in the new chord. It happens regardless if the staff is > >> transposing or not. Chromatic transposition brings a whole new level of > >> crazy in as well, but the problems I outline happen on concert staves. > If > >> you are having trouble getting it to show, try diminished 7th chords, > flip > >> a few notes (more than once on the same chord) and then try to enter a > >> different diminished chord by hitting Enter. Are all the spellings > correct > >> according to the settings you use? > >> > >> This may behave differently if Enharmonic Spelling options are set to > Use > >> Spelling Tables or Use Default Spelling. I haven't really explored it, > >> because I consider the 9 key to be broken now. I only need to be bitten > >> once to dismiss the whole thing. I don't want to have to keep going back > >> and verifying spellings in my pieces because one (or more!) may have > >> flipped when I wasn't looking. > >> > >> Christopher > >> > >> > >> On Fri Oct 12, at FridayOct 12 10:09 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: > >> > >>> That simple procedure (in Fin2012) presents no problems for me. Does > the > >>> staff need to be a transposing staff? I don't really understand what > you > >>> mean by "repitch it by holding down a new chord on the MIDI keyboard > and > >>> hitting Enter." When I do what I read you to be saying, nothing > happens, > >> so > >>> there must be a step I'm missing. > >>> > >>> To confirm once again, we are talking about Fin2012, right? > >>> > >>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Christopher Smith < > >>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Try hitting 9 twice or more while on a chord. Then repitch it by > holding > >>>> down a new chord on the MIDI keyboard and hitting Enter. Are the note > >>>> spelled as expected? Try exploding it. Are the notes still spelled > >>>> correctly? About quarter to half the time the bug shows in my > >> experience. I > >>>> don't use chromatic transposition all that often, but I still see > >> problems > >>>> in normally-transposed and concert staves. > >>>> > >>>> Usually in a single note part, hitting 9 once on a note is okay. But > do > >>>> you remember EVERY note you have invoked the 9 key on? Going back and > >>>> changing pitches in parts (which I do with depressing regularity) > >> causes me > >>>> to see this bug all the time. > >>>> > >>>> Christopher > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Fri Oct 12, at FridayOct 12 9:03 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi Chuck, > >>>>> > >>>>> I believe you always work with key signatures, though, correct? As > far > >>>> as I know, the problem affects only staves set to chromatic > >> transposition. > >>>>> > >>>>> If there is anyone on the list who: > >>>>> > >>>>> (A) routinely uses scores where instruments are set to use chromatic > >>>> (not key signature) transposition... > >>>>> > >>>>> ... and... > >>>>> > >>>>> (B) *used* to experience problems using the 9 key to flip enharmonics > >>>> under previous versions of Finale... > >>>>> > >>>>> ... and... > >>>>> > >>>>> (C) no longer experiences that problem with Fin2012... > >>>>> > >>>>> ... I'd really love to hear from them! > >>>>> > >>>>> Like Christopher and Robert, I was badly burned by the 9-key bug when > >> it > >>>> was first introduced and quickly adopted workarounds so that I could > >> avoid > >>>> the 9 key entirely. > >>>>> > >>>>> Once bitten, twice shy, so I've always been incredibly reluctant to > go > >>>> back to my old habits and see if the problem has been fixed. But the > >>>> workarounds *are* a pain, so like Robert, I am curious whether anyone > >> else > >>>> in a similar situation can report back one way or the other. > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers, > >>>>> > >>>>> - DJA > >>>>> ----- > >>>>> WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Oct 12, 2012, at 8:32 PM, Chuck Israels <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> I too, am puzzled. It seems to work for me. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Chuck > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Oct 12, 2012, at 3:09 PM, Steve Parker <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> But I never hit the 9 key any more. It's broken beyond use. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Don't understand this? 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