Here it is. I laid it out step by step because the tech support person I was communicating with refused to admit it existed until I listed exact instructions like this.
Open a new file using the Setup Wizard. Add Bb clarinet. Switch to Display in Concert Pitch. Enter in the staff quarter notes (using Speedy) Eb, Db, Cb (you will have to flip this one with the 9 key, which is what causes the problem. If you DON'T flip it, the problem does not appear.) then Bb. I use Default spelling. Using the Score Manager, change the transposition to Other...Chromatic, Turn off Display in Concert Pitch. Now open the Speedy frame on the measure. A natural appears on the F and C, even though I didn't touch them yet, and ONLY WHILE THE FRAME IS open. When I close the frame the naturals disappear, but the spacing acts as if there WAS still a natural on the C. Now no matter what I do, I can't get the F and C to force appearance of an alteration. Apparently, depending on when I flip the B to Cb and what the rhythm in the measure is, some note may end up not being able to take an accidental. The procedure I described reveals the bug every time, even after a restart. The way around it is to enter the C as a natural, then hit the - key to lower it. This means I don't hear the correct pitch, and every accidental costs me an extra keystroke. To re-pitch a note, I have to do same thing; I can't just hit the 9 key because that might cause problems. Setting the Enharmonic Spelling options to always favour flats or sharps works too, but if I have to mouse into the menu EVERY time I want to flip spelling, it is even a worse slowdown. Entering the notes in transposed pitch (Display in Concert Pitch is off) apparently avoids the problems in THIS procedure, though there are still issues with pitch display that I haven't tracked down this precisely. On Sat Oct 13, at SaturdayOct 13 11:27 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: > I feel your pain on the bug reporting. > > Because I essentially never touch my keypad, I never knew about the enter > key repitch technique. Very handy, that. > > I'm not sure I understand why I would want no accis on a chromatic > transposing staff, but I'll bite. What's your technique? > > On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Christopher Smith < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Robert, >> >> Chuck explained it better. Repitch an EXISTING chord in Speedy by holding >> down the new notes on the MIDI keyboard (when the Speedy cursor is on the >> chord) and hitting Enter. >> >> Yes, I am in 2012c. I tried to track it down briefly just now, but didn't >> get it to show. I do, however, often see it. I have spend so much time >> confirming bugs and finding exact procedures to get them to show and >> submitting them, only to be told, "Oh yeah, that's been noted and put on >> the list to fix already" and then nothing happens for years, if at all. >> >> If I ever find a procedure that absolutely shows the bug, I'll post it. On >> the other hand, I have a procedure for entering a passage on a >> chromatically transposing staff that will not allow an accidental to show >> at all. This works 100% of the time since 2008. Let me know if you want to >> see it. >> >> Christopher >> >> >> On Sat Oct 13, at SaturdayOct 13 9:50 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: >> >>> You say by "hitting enter" but in my setup that does nothing. Could you >>> elaborate the procedure in detail? When I hold down a chord on the midi >>> keyboard, I have to hit a number for anything to happen. >>> >>> Also, please confirm you are using Fin2012. >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Christopher Smith < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Robert, >>>> >>>> I meant turn the chord into a different one by holding it down on the >> MIDI >>>> keyboard and hitting Enter. If you have any notes that have been >>>> enharmonically flipped in the original chord, then the spelling can act >>>> weird in the new chord. Obviously, this will show better if there ARE >>>> altered notes in the new chord. It happens regardless if the staff is >>>> transposing or not. Chromatic transposition brings a whole new level of >>>> crazy in as well, but the problems I outline happen on concert staves. >> If >>>> you are having trouble getting it to show, try diminished 7th chords, >> flip >>>> a few notes (more than once on the same chord) and then try to enter a >>>> different diminished chord by hitting Enter. Are all the spellings >> correct >>>> according to the settings you use? >>>> >>>> This may behave differently if Enharmonic Spelling options are set to >> Use >>>> Spelling Tables or Use Default Spelling. I haven't really explored it, >>>> because I consider the 9 key to be broken now. I only need to be bitten >>>> once to dismiss the whole thing. I don't want to have to keep going back >>>> and verifying spellings in my pieces because one (or more!) may have >>>> flipped when I wasn't looking. >>>> >>>> Christopher >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri Oct 12, at FridayOct 12 10:09 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: >>>> >>>>> That simple procedure (in Fin2012) presents no problems for me. Does >> the >>>>> staff need to be a transposing staff? I don't really understand what >> you >>>>> mean by "repitch it by holding down a new chord on the MIDI keyboard >> and >>>>> hitting Enter." When I do what I read you to be saying, nothing >> happens, >>>> so >>>>> there must be a step I'm missing. >>>>> >>>>> To confirm once again, we are talking about Fin2012, right? >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Christopher Smith < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Try hitting 9 twice or more while on a chord. Then repitch it by >> holding >>>>>> down a new chord on the MIDI keyboard and hitting Enter. Are the note >>>>>> spelled as expected? Try exploding it. Are the notes still spelled >>>>>> correctly? About quarter to half the time the bug shows in my >>>> experience. I >>>>>> don't use chromatic transposition all that often, but I still see >>>> problems >>>>>> in normally-transposed and concert staves. >>>>>> >>>>>> Usually in a single note part, hitting 9 once on a note is okay. But >> do >>>>>> you remember EVERY note you have invoked the 9 key on? Going back and >>>>>> changing pitches in parts (which I do with depressing regularity) >>>> causes me >>>>>> to see this bug all the time. >>>>>> >>>>>> Christopher >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri Oct 12, at FridayOct 12 9:03 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Chuck, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I believe you always work with key signatures, though, correct? As >> far >>>>>> as I know, the problem affects only staves set to chromatic >>>> transposition. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If there is anyone on the list who: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (A) routinely uses scores where instruments are set to use chromatic >>>>>> (not key signature) transposition... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ... and... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (B) *used* to experience problems using the 9 key to flip enharmonics >>>>>> under previous versions of Finale... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ... and... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (C) no longer experiences that problem with Fin2012... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ... I'd really love to hear from them! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Like Christopher and Robert, I was badly burned by the 9-key bug when >>>> it >>>>>> was first introduced and quickly adopted workarounds so that I could >>>> avoid >>>>>> the 9 key entirely. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Once bitten, twice shy, so I've always been incredibly reluctant to >> go >>>>>> back to my old habits and see if the problem has been fixed. But the >>>>>> workarounds *are* a pain, so like Robert, I am curious whether anyone >>>> else >>>>>> in a similar situation can report back one way or the other. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - DJA >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 12, 2012, at 8:32 PM, Chuck Israels <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I too, am puzzled. It seems to work for me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 2012, at 3:09 PM, Steve Parker <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But I never hit the 9 key any more. It's broken beyond use. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Don't understand this? 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