In some editions, an acci above means it was an editorial acci and not in the original source. I've not seen it in any other context. Of course, on the countless occasions when I pencil them in, they often end up there.
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 11:12 PM, Raymond Horton <[email protected]> wrote: > Fair enough. How about full sized accidentals above? > On Nov 30, 2014 12:08 AM, "Robert Patterson" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > For me, nothing tiny please. The notes have already gotten small enough > as > > it is, and they seem to be getting smaller by the month. I can think of > > three situations that demand cautionaries. In all three cases, I think > they > > should appear as normal accis without parens. > > > > 1. If the first note of a bar is reverting to the key signature after > being > > altered in the previous bar (especially on the last note). The further > into > > the new bar you go, the less mandatory the courtesy acci becomes. > > > > 2. (As I mentioned in my previous post) if the passage is not in the key > of > > the key signature, all chromatic alterations should be shown relative to > > the sounding key of the passage, even if they are in the key sig. (This > > comes up a lot in standard rep, and I think the old 19th cent. engravers > > were pretty good about doing it. I haven't made a project of verifying > that > > though.) > > > > 3. If there is a cross relation between voices (i.e., B-flat in one voice > > and B-nat in another). > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Raymond Horton < > [email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > New wrinkle in this heated conversation: I prefer tiny cautionary > > > accidentals above the note, does anyone else? Avoids the parentheses > > > questions, but not as quick to apply in Finale. > > > So I don't use them much. In the big project I just finished, which > > was > > > played by good high school strings with a few rehearsals and pros with > > next > > > to none, I freely used parenthesized cautionary accis - frequently. > > > My cent and 1/2. > > > On Nov 29, 2014 8:54 PM, "Robert Patterson" < > [email protected] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > My perspective is that if the key of the moment does not match the > key > > > > signature, any chromatic alterations within the key of the moment > > should > > > be > > > > shown even if they are already in the key sig. Personally I don't > think > > > > parens are necessary but I suppose they don't hurt anything. For > > example, > > > > if the key sig is G-Major, but the piece has modulated to D-Major, if > > > there > > > > is a V7/IV chord (in D-Maj) that calls for C-nat, the C-nat should be > > > > shown, irrespective of the fact that there is no C-sharp in the key > > sig. > > > > > > > > I'm a horn player. For nearly all the standard rep music we don't see > > key > > > > signatures, so for music that has them I tend to pencil in nearly > every > > > > accidental anyway. But I really believe relying on a key signature to > > > show > > > > chromatic alterations for a passage not in the key of the key > signature > > > is > > > > where you are mostly likely to trip up a sight-reader. > > > > > > > > (FWIW: Instead of using key sigs we horn players play in keys. I've > > > played > > > > Auf Dem Strom in the original E, in D, and I've seen a version in C. > > But > > > I > > > > just play the same part, written in C Major, in whichever key the > > singer > > > > wants.) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Chuck Israels <[email protected] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > They are called courtesy accidentals. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps a little courtesy in speaking about your point of view and > > > > > experience vs that of others would be welcome. > > > > > > > > > > My experience with tonal but often modulating music played by > highly > > > > > educated and able musicians differs from yours. That doesn't lead > me > > to > > > > > denigrate your perspective nor to invite expletives in discussing > > which > > > > > practices might work better in different circumstances. > > > > > > > > > > I will speak for myself: when I am playing in Db and there are > > passages > > > > > with D naturals, I appreciate a courtesy accidental when the > tonality > > > of > > > > > the moment later demands a Db, and I don't care if it lacks > > > parentheses. > > > > So > > > > > do many musicians with whom I work. That practice can help prevent > > > > > mistakes when it is used consistently. > > > > > > > > > > There may be a number of considerations that argue for or against > > this > > > > > practice. What seems clear to me is that it is working well under > the > > > > > conditions I live in. > > > > > > > > > > That's all I'll say about it at the moment. > > > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 29, 2014, at 11:35 PM, Craig Parmerlee < > [email protected] > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Finale mailing list > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Finale mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Finale mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > > [email protected] > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Finale mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > [email protected] > > > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > [email protected] > _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list [email protected] https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: [email protected]
