New wrinkle in this heated conversation:  I prefer tiny cautionary
accidentals above the note, does anyone else?  Avoids the parentheses
questions, but not as quick to apply in Finale.
  So I don't use them much.  In the big project I just finished, which was
played by good high school strings with a few rehearsals and pros with next
to none, I freely used parenthesized cautionary accis - frequently.
My cent and 1/2.
On Nov 29, 2014 8:54 PM, "Robert Patterson" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> My perspective is that if the key of the moment does not match the key
> signature, any chromatic alterations within the key of the moment should be
> shown even if they are already in the key sig. Personally I don't think
> parens are necessary but I suppose they don't hurt anything. For example,
> if the key sig is G-Major, but the piece has modulated to D-Major, if there
> is a V7/IV chord (in D-Maj) that calls for C-nat, the C-nat should be
> shown, irrespective of the fact that there is no C-sharp in the key sig.
>
> I'm a horn player. For nearly all the standard rep music we don't see key
> signatures, so for music that has them I tend to pencil in nearly every
> accidental anyway. But I really believe relying on a key signature to show
> chromatic alterations for a passage not in the key of the key signature is
> where you are mostly likely to trip up a sight-reader.
>
> (FWIW: Instead of using key sigs we horn players play in keys. I've played
> Auf Dem Strom in the original E, in D, and I've seen a version in C. But I
> just play the same part, written in C Major, in whichever key the singer
> wants.)
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Chuck Israels <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > They are called courtesy accidentals.
> >
> > Perhaps a little courtesy in speaking about your point of view and
> > experience vs that of others would be welcome.
> >
> > My experience with tonal but often modulating music played by highly
> > educated and able musicians differs from yours. That doesn't lead me to
> > denigrate your perspective nor to invite expletives in discussing which
> > practices might work better in different circumstances.
> >
> > I will speak for myself: when I am playing in Db and there are passages
> > with D naturals, I appreciate a courtesy accidental when the tonality of
> > the moment later demands a Db, and I don't care if it lacks parentheses.
> So
> > do many musicians with whom I work.  That practice can help prevent
> > mistakes when it is used consistently.
> >
> > There may be a number of considerations that argue for or against this
> > practice. What seems clear to me is that it is working well under the
> > conditions I live in.
> >
> > That's all I'll say about it at the moment.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Nov 29, 2014, at 11:35 PM, Craig Parmerlee <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > the
> >
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