Dr Hansen:

OK, thanks for your reply.  In terms of my rambling paragraph, I don't know
enough to know what my "one issue" is to ask just one question.  I'm just
trying to get Fink to "start" . . . but I don't know what that means to you
to ask it in a way that might be easy.  This is the "beginners list" and I'm
a beginner with Fink and even Terminal.  It doesn't mean too much if I can
type "man" in a Terminal window or an X window and I get a page of data.  In
answer to one of your questions, yes, the information about Apple X11 not
being compatible with the X11 installed by Fink is from the Fink site  <
http://www.finkproject.org/doc/x11/index.php> . . . .  And I see now the X
is the same case in both.  And, thanks for the info on tcsh v bash . . .
that must be the default setting??

But, to avoid rambling, you haven't 'splained it to me about how to simply
"start" what might be termed a "fink" session or how to simply start using
"fink" . . . because when I type "fink" into the X window . . . a short list
is the only thing that shows up.  So, in an effort to avoid rambling,
reading the Fink FAQ seems to go over a lot of info of things to watch out
for, but, where does it discuss how to begin at the most basic level?? if
there is such a thing.  When I type "startx" I get the X-quartz window???
but when I type those other commands or if I type "fink" . . . I get some
terms like "list" "apropos" "index" and some options like "-h" and so
forth.  But, how to begin at the beginning so that Fink is usable as an OS
if that's what it is?

I used FC to "update" Fink from the original PPC for 10.4.11 download from
the Fink site and the update download took at least 1.5 hours on a DSL line,
and I see that it went from 99 apps to 126 apps.  gnome-base 2.4.1-1 is
current.  gnome-mime 2.4.1-5 and gnome-vfs2 2.6.1.1-1017 are outdated.  And
there are many other listings for gnome that seem to repeat, so which are
the relevant apps that are needed?  The guy on the Apple Unix list said the
FC "knows what needs to be installed if you pick one app in gnome and it
will install all the needed packages."  But clearly that didn't happen?
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What do I get from "fink list gnome-session"  in both a Terminal window and
an X11 window is:  fink list gnome-session
"Information about 5163 packages read in 3 seconds.
     gnome-session    2.28.0-2     Login session management"

But FC doesn't show that "gnome-session" is installed.
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I'm not sure why it would have done that, unless you installed a package
that doesn't get along with mozilla.  Try reinstalling it.

Alright on re-installing Mozilla: there are "mozilla 1.7.5-1102," two
listings for  "mozilla- " "mozilla-dom" mozilla-js mozilla- again,
mozilla-psm and mozilla-shlibs.  Do I install all of them or will FC know
which I need?
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Thank you for your time, I need a little more information than provided as
to how to get rolling using Fink, sorry for the ramble--another link beyond
the Fink FAQ?

Fritz H
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