-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Dienstag, Dezember 17, 2002, at 12:38 Uhr, Patrick Näf wrote:
To me it is, yes.That one was obvious :-)
Amazing ehy ?
That might be the case, but with KDE it has not been published yet, IOh, there are many. KDE, GNOME, even some GNU projects have or haveAs I said, I probably have looked the other way, the same way I don't
had efforts in the past to gather a basic knowledge of the user
community they serve,
notice banner ads anymore.
simply know about it because I develop for them now and then.
<snip>
Waitwaitwait...Is not a mandatory question and since I know that you followed the list
How in the world do I help fink developers in doing their work when I
state
- my gender
you can easily extract that the question might be dropped alltogether.
It is interesting for me to know who uses this piece of software,- my occupation
because occupation and educational background do give me a way to gauge
the user and their abilities. I am sure you know that after such a
login time with a marketing company.
Every Mac has their quirks and hardware does affect build time. It- my type of Macintosh I run fink on
might be a smart idea to make a tree for slow hardware where packages
are in the tree that do not offer full functionality yet basic one and
build faster. None the less it is interesting from a developers point
of view imho.
<snip>
What of the rest? It reminds me of the greedy gathering of statisticsI am also interested in statistics. Would you please explain to me what
that I witnessed during 7 years of work at a market research company.
is so bad about that? If you do not wish to be part of this particular
statistic, then do not participate and everything will be fine for the
both of us. I am not interested in meta statistics though, I simply
wish to know what is done with Fink and how. Which will influence
design decisions, build decisions, packaging and surely other thoughts
we might have.
<snip>To me you do not even have that obligation. I donate my time, I expect
Maybe the following is presumptuous, after all I'm just a small user
and lurker-on-the-list, sometimes dabbling in the art of creating an
.info file, but...
Besides having an obligation to the community, everything I do for
fink is
nothing in return.
<snip>
As for the last: look at the mailing lists, look at the download statsWell what does that help me with? Just because the word "Fink" is
on SourceForge, hell - search for "fink" on Google: a once common
German word now has a special meaning! For me this is enough proof
that people are using fink and that my time is not wasted, I don't
need a survey for that.
popular (and it is popular in many ways) it will not tell me which
languages I should try to translate fink into first. It will also not
tell me which binary packages we will have to have a closer look at.
Those are questions which can be asked AFTER i have a general view of
the people I am asking and exactly for that reason this first survey is
being designed.
Again, the 3 questions mentioned above are the only ones that I thinkAs everybody is entitled to their own opinion, I honour yours, yet I
are valid ones in this scope.
did not write this off the top of my head, I did ask myself and people
who have a lot of experience which questions would make sense and to me
only the gender question is arguable.
<snip>
I do not pretend anything. I have always been honest and always willBut don't pretend the results are for fink.
be. I honour and want the input from you people, if I did not, I would
have not asked on the devel list. Even if these surveys influence Apple
and their decision toward Fink, the survey will still be for Fink and
not for Apple.
<snip>
to make a constructive contribution to your request I would recommendThis is standard procedure, I would be doing something very illegal if
to place a prominent notice on top of the survey that mentions that
a) the collected raw data will not be given out to anybody
I did not put such a notice on top. If I did not do that i would need a
consent notice, as you surely know as well from your time with the
marketing dudes.
b) the data in a processed form might be used for publication, such as
a presentation to Apple
Or any other interested Sponsor we might find.
I do not feel that anyone is obliged to take this survey, therefore I
Don't even think about how many people will shy away because of such a
statement. Some will. But if you don't make a true statement, the
thing might start to smell rather badly...
care little about their repulsion after the first concerns have been
carefully worked around. I am the last who means harm, the data
gathered is to the benefit of Fink and thus tot he benefit of all users
and that will be carefully reflected in a disclaimer.
On a personal level which has nothing to do with Fink I cannot
understand your attitude at all, but that has no place here and
therefore it is of no interest.
<snip>
OK. No more questions about that. Might even have been somewhat
inappropriate for somebody like me to ask this, my apologies.
No need to apologise I would verify this as well.
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