What is the source of the analysis?  What crime statistics were used (both
by VPC and TSRA)?  Is there an online source for the info?

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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Phil Lee
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:19 PM
> To: firearmsregprof
> Subject: Cops rip GOP claim that hidden guns are no threat
>
>
> The claim about CHL holders of Texas having a higher arrest rate than
> average Texans is false.  Take a look at the article below.
> Phil Lee
>
>
> http://www.tsra.com/arrests.htm
>
> also from Packing
>
> Following is a rebuttal to the LA Times Story. Just goes to show you that
> the truth will come out if one is diligent!!
> San Antonio Express-News
> The malicious "License to Kill" press releases issued recently by the
> Violence Policy Center in Washington, D.C., misrepresent the truth about
> concealed-handgun-license- holders in Texas.
>
> Analysts at the Violence Policy Center cite arrest statistics to argue
> falsely that the handgun program in Texas is a failure. However,
> an unbiased
> comparison of arrest rates of concealed-handgun-license-holders
> with arrest
> rates of all adults in Texas proves that the 214,000 Texans with the
> licenses, as a group, remain the exemplary citizens they were when they
> received their licenses. (The basic data for this comparison
> comes from the
> Texas Department of Public Safety and the U.S. Census Bureau. The arrest
> rates were calculated using average annual population figures and average
> number of annual active concealed-handgun licenses).
>
> First, the center's implication that there should never be an arrest among
> the 214,000 concealed-handgun-license-holders in Texas is ludicrous. The
> arrest rate of clergy is not zero.
>
> Second, the center does not differentiate between felony arrests and
> misdemeanor arrests. Of the 3,679 total arrests among
> concealed-handgun-license-holders in Texas for a four-year period
> from 1996
> to 2000, 889 are felony arrests. The remaining 2,790 arrests involve
> less-serious misdemeanor charges.
>
> Third, arrest does not mean guilt. Of the 474 felony arrests that
> have been
> resolved, fewer than half resulted in convictions.
>
> Fourth, the data show that average annual arrests for all crimes among all
> adult males in Texas (9,508 per 100,000) is 14 times greater than the rate
> for concealed-handgun-license-holders (671 per 100,000). The violent-crime
> arrest rate of all adult men in Texas (306 per 100,000) is five times
> greater than the violent-crime arrest rate of
> concealed-handgun-license-holders (62).
>
> Furthermore, since Jan. 1, 1996, a total of three
> concealed-handgun-license
> holders have been convicted of murder, attempted murder or manslaughter.
> Only at the Violence Policy Center do three convictions in four
> years add up
> to a "License to Kill."
>
> Since 80.5 percent of concealed-handgun-license-holders in Texas are men,
> these comparisons are valid, and it is clear that the center's
> insinuations
> of a crime wave among this population are false and absurd. To the
> disappointment of the Violence Policy Center and other gun-control
> advocates, the Texas model for other states, such as Colorado, that are
> considering licensing concealed handguns. It proves that citizens who are
> screened by state and federal law enforcement and properly trained can be
> trusted to carry concealed handguns for their own protection and the
> protection of others.
>
> Why does the Violence Policy Center continue its attack on Texas?
> The answer
> probably lies in an unwillingness to present the whole truth, not
> to mention
> a callous and dangerous disregard for the lives and safety of the
> people of
> Texas by extremists for whom gun control has become a religion.
>
> Carl M. Hubbard, Ph.D. is a professor of business administration
> at Trinity
> University.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul Barnett
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 3:15 PM
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Cops rip GOP claim that hidden guns are no threat
>
>
>
> > "An analysis of Texas data reveals that between 1996 and 1999, Texas
> > permit holders were arrested for weapons-related offenses at a rate that
> > was 66 percent higher than that of the general population,"
> Stammen said.
>
> The accuracy of this point was questioned in another forum, and I'll
> repost what I wrote:
>
> I think it's actually correct.  The key word is "arrested".
>
> Think back to 1996-1999.  That was the first three years of the CHL law
> in Texas.  There was a lot of confusion about interpretation of some of
> the provisions, especially in some police departments.
>
> You might remember an analysis I did of that data:  there were a
> significant number of arrests, but very few convictions.  I believe a
> lot of CHL holders were arrested by law enforcement officers that
> didn't know the law.
>
> The DA would subsequently drop the charge or it would be dismissed by a
> judge.  But, the original statistics published by the DPS were
> distorted by the VPC into this sound-bite, without any understanding of
> what was really happening.
>
> So, while it is true, it's not the complete story.  And without the
> complete story, it's misleading.  And I believe it is intentionally
> misleading.
>
> The short version:  of course CHL holders are going to be arrested more
> often for weapons-related offenses.... they are the ones carrying
> weapons!  It's the equivalent of saying that licensed drivers get more
> speeding tickets, in comparison to people that don't have driver's
> licenses.
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