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I think you answered your own question. By the time the current has traveled from the battery, through the firewall, through the ignition switch, through the neutral safety switch, and finally to the starter, it has lost so much current, there's just not quite enough left. Heavier gauge wire might help, but the weak link could still be the ignition switch, the neutral safety switch, or any connections along the way.

If you look at the diagram, you only have about an inch of wire needed to power the solenoid, instead of maybe 20 feet? and several connections and switches.

This same theory can be applied to the headlights. You can use continuous duty relays to direct power straight from the battery to the headlights. You'd be surprised how much brighter your headlights will be simply because you reduced the length of wire going to the headlights.

As for timing, that wouldn't prevent the starter from engaging. It would just cause the starter to drag because the engine would be trying to turn backwards.

Stu

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Learner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [FGF] Starting problem


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After looking at the way the Ford relay is wired in, can someone help me understand why that would help the hot start problem? This still uses the stock solenoid to pass all current to the starter. The only thing I can see is now maybe you get a full 12 volts to the "start" terminal, but couldn't you do the same thing without the Ford solenoid by running a new and heavier gauge wire from the ignition switch (or even a separate "start switch")??

I thought that maybe the Ford solenoid replaced the one on the starter, but then I realized that the stock solenoid physically shoves the starter pinion gear into the ring gear, and thus must be energized to start the car.

Could some of the hot start problem come from too much initial advance in the timing?

I have experienced occasional mild hot start issues and would like to avoid it. Just trying to sort out what works and why...

Thanks,
David Learner
Fresh 455 almost ready to install!
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The problem you are describing is the reason a lot of people wire in a Ford starter relay.

http://www.maliburacing.com/starter_solenoid.html





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