Dear Bob,
I think, there is no conflict between two points of view – information may be a 
process and it may be a static depending of what kind of reflection it is.
For instance, we reflect the world around:
- as static - by photos, art images, sculptures, etc.; 
- as dynamic - by movies, theater plays, ballet, etc.; 
- and, at the end, by both types – by static text which creates dynamical 
imaginations in our consciousness.
Friendly regards

PS: This is my second post for this week. So, I say: Goodbye to the next one!

From: Bob Logan 
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 3:54 PM
To: Joseph Brenner 
Subject: Re: [Fis] Neuroinformation?

Dear all - I support Joseph's remarks and would suggest that information in 
general is a process that unfortunately is formulated as a noun. Inspired by 
Bucky Fuller's I think I am a verb I suggest that "Information is a verb" It is 
a verb because it describes a process. Although that solves one problem we need 
to be able to describe a set of signs that have the potential to initiate the 
process of informing through interpretation. I would not suggest we create 
another word but recognize that the word information has many meanings and that 
when it is describing a process it has a verb-like quality to it and when it 
describes a set of sign that have the potential to be interpreted and hence 
become information it is acting as a noun. I would also suggest that a simple 
definition of the term information is not possible because its meaning is so 
context dependent. This is true of all words but even more so for information. 
For those that agree with my sentiments the above is information and for those 
that do not it is nonsense. My best wishes to both groups,  Bob Logan


Robert K. Logan
Prof. Emeritus - Physics - U. of Toronto 
Chief Scientist - sLab at OCAD

On 2014-12-04, at 6:40 AM, Joseph Brenner wrote:

  Dear Dr. Isiegas,

  I will add my support to the extended concept of information that inheres in 
the work of Robert Ulanowicz and John Collier. I would just add that I like to 
call it information-as-process, to call attention to its 'structure' being 
dynamic, with individual neurones involved in a cyclic (better spiral or 
sinusoidal) movement between states of activation and inhibition. I have 
ascribed an extension of logic to this form of alternating actual and potential 
states in complex processes at all levels of reality.

  Best wishes,

  Joseph B.

  ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert E. Ulanowicz" <>
  To: "Carolina Isiegas" <>
  Cc: <>
  Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 6:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fis] Neuroinformation?

  Dear Dr. Isiegas:

  I envision neuroinformation as the mutual information of the neuronal
  network where synaptic connections are weighted by the frequencies of
  discharge between all pairs of neurons. This is directly analogous to a
  network of trophic exchanges among an ecosystem, as illustrated in

  Please note that this measure is different from the conventional
  sender-channel-receiver format of communications theory. It resembles more
  the "structural information" inhering in the neuronal network. John
  Collier (also a FISer) calls such information "enformation" to draw
  attention to its different nature.

  With best wishes for success,

  Bob Ulanowicz

    Dear list,

       I have been reading during the last year all these interesting

    exchanges. Some of them terrific discussions! Given my scientific


    (Molecular Neuroscience), I would like to hear your point of view on the

    topic of neuroinformation, how information "exists" within the Central

    Nervous Systems. My task was experimental; I was interested in

    investigating the molecular mechanisms underlying learning and memory,

    specifically, the role of the cAMP-PKA-CREB signaling pathway in such


    functions (In Ted Abel´s Lab at the University of Pennsylvania, where I

    spent 7 years). I generated several genetically modified mice in which I

    could regulate the expression of this pathway in specific brain regions


    in which I studied the effects of upregulation or downregulation at the

    synaptic and behavioral levels. However, I am conscious that the

    "information flow" within the mouse Nervous System is far more complex


    in the "simple" pathway that I was, my concrete question for

    you "Fishers" or "Fisers", how should we contemplate the micro and macro

    structures of information within the neural realm? what is


    Best wishes,


    Carolina Isiegas


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