Dear Emanuel,
The two types are sometimes also called "Shannon-type" versus
"Bateson-type" information.
In Chinese, there are two words for "information".
Both words contain two characters as depicted in Figure 13.1. The above
one, ‘sjin sji’, corresponds to the mathematical definition of
information as uncertainty.[1] <#_ftn1> The second, ‘tsjin bao,’ means
information but also intelligence.[2] <#_ftn2> In other words, it means
information which informs us, and which is thus considered meaningful.
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<#_ftnref1> [1] ‘sjin’ means letter of reliability, and ‘sji’ means
message.
<#_ftnref2> [2] ‘tsjin’ means situation or status, and ‘bao’ means
report.
Wu Yishan (personal communication)
From: Leydesdorff, L. (1995). The Challenge of Scientometrics: The
development, measurement, and self-organization of scientific
communications. Leiden: DSWO Press, Leiden University; at
http://www.universal-publishers.com/book.php?method=ISBN&book=1581126816,
p. 295.
Best,
Loet
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Loet Leydesdorff
Professor emeritus, University of Amsterdam
Amsterdam School of Communication Research (ASCoR)
l...@leydesdorff.net <mailto:l...@leydesdorff.net>;
http://www.leydesdorff.net/
Associate Faculty, SPRU, <http://www.sussex.ac.uk/spru/>University of
Sussex;
Guest Professor Zhejiang Univ. <http://www.zju.edu.cn/english/>,
Hangzhou; Visiting Professor, ISTIC,
<http://www.istic.ac.cn/Eng/brief_en.html>Beijing;
Visiting Fellow, Birkbeck <http://www.bbk.ac.uk/>, University of London;
http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYAAAAJ&hl=en
------ Original Message ------
From: "Emanuel Diamant" <emanl....@gmail.com>
To: fis@listas.unizar.es
Sent: 1/12/2018 5:20:14 PM
Subject: [Fis] I salute to Sungchul
Dear FISers,
I would like to express my pleasure with the current state of our
discourse – an evident attempt to reach a more common understanding
about information issues and to enrich preliminary given assessments.
In this regard, I would like to add my comment to Sungchul’s post of
January 12, 2018.
Sungchul proposes “to recognize two distinct types of information
which, for the lack of better terms, may be referred to as the
"meaningless information" or I(-) and "meaningful information" or
I(+)”.
That is exactly what I am trying to put forward for years, albeit under
more historically rooted names: Physical and Semantic information [1].
Never mind, what is crucially important here is that the duality of
information becomes publicly recognized and accepted by FIS community.
I salute to Sungchul’s suggestion!
Best regards, Emanuel.
[1] Emanuel Diamant, The brain is processing information, not data.
Does anybody care?, ISIS Summit Vienna 2015, Extended Abstract.
http://sciforum.net/conference/isis-summit-vienna-2015/paper/2842
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