I completely agree as well, but the initial problem remains: Finding someone with those talents.
I consider myself extremely talented in those areas, but won't relocate. Employers should definitely consider giving remote workers a chance to prove themselves through contract work if they really want to get the best qualified person they can find. It's frustrating all around these days as finding a good company to work for is becoming more and more difficult. I've turned down 3 job offers in the past year because the companies either didn't seem like they were on the up and up or I didn't feel like it was positive place to work. !k -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Grden Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 12:56 PM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] {OT} Job Postings? I would agree with all that's been said - I couldn't have said it better Finding the "type" of person has become the focus. We designed some questioning that really helped us weed through the people that would "most likely" be good candidates for coming up to speed. Then you get into work ethic, personality etc. But at least you have someone through the door that might work out. On 9/12/06, DannyT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I completely agree with Johannes approach. Knowledge of the ins and outs > of > flash/flex/actionscript isn't half as important as an ability to pick up > new > technologies, follow best practices and work effectively as a member of a > team. > > I think if you ask if they can do something, and they can't that's fine, > it's how they'll find out how to do it that's key. > > Dan > > On 12/09/06, Johannes Nel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > paul barnes-hogget had an argument about supply and demand in the > > flex/flasharena which i thought is very apt. he stated that as flex and > > flash is such a hot technology the demand is very high, thus with normal > > market factors wages tend to rise. big companies want to use the > > technology, > > but due to the cost and lack of supply they struggle to use it, thus > > making > > them consider other alternatives. > > > > personally we have started hirring developers who are skilled in other > > areas, upskilling them into this one via peer programming and code > reviews > > in order to try and meet some of this demand, this unfortunatly is a > slow > > process, but one most companies have to do if they want to expand. > > > > On 9/12/06, Zeh Fernando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > >> I have been on this list for years and have seen all the job > postings > > > and > > > >> have posted some myself. I am looking to hire 5 Flex 2.0 and 3 > flash > > > >> developers. I have tried posting on dice and monster and have yet > to > > > get > > > >> resumes that come close to the qualifications that I need. So I > have > > to > > > >> ask > > > >> where are people finding flash and flex guru's? If you are a flash > or > > > >> flex > > > >> guru please email me your resume, we pay well! > > > > > > I live in another world, but I can say the same about our (Brazilian) > > > market > > > aswell. There's an absurd lack of competent people, and trying to find > > > someone with the level you expect and that you can trust is an > exercise > > in > > > > > > frustration. I have to refuse almost daily, and inevitably I have to > > > repeat > > > the same choir over and over again - "No, I can't do your specific job > > but > > > thanks, and no, I don't know anyone who could that I can point you at, > > I'm > > > > > > sorry, that's the truth". I get baffled replies at best; people > usually > > > think I'm bullsh*tting them. > > > > > > Unfortunatelly it seems much of this is due to the nature and the > > history > > > of > > > Flash. Sure, there's a lot of people working with Flex and Flash from > > all > > > the walks of the design/IT life, but differently from other > technologies > > > like, say, Java, the technology isn't seen as being integral part of a > > > dedicated field. Take as an example the school (university) I go to: > we > > > have > > > design/interface design/multimedia bachelor degrees, as well as > computer > > > science degrees. On the computer science courses, they learn C, C++, > > > Python, > > > Java, and stuff like that; on the other design courses, they learn > basic > > > Flash (and I mean, *really* basic flash). > > > > > > Sure, I'm not the one to trust blindly in school degrees (I've worked > > for > > > 12 > > > years and never had a degree) and I sure hope someone will come out of > > > graduation with 100 design patterns memorized. But the fact that no > > > university course around here sees Flash as a 'serious' programming > > field > > > speaks a lot when you see the absense of good professionals on the > > market. > > > You usually have a lot of 'hacks' that come from, say, the > > creative/design > > > > > > area, and think they're good because they can tween a banner, but it's > > > hard > > > to someone that go a little further and actually wants to get better > at > > > coding, or people from the 'cold coding' market moving into what's > seen > > as > > > a > > > designerish tool. Sad but true. > > > > > > > > > Zeh > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > [email protected] > > > To change your subscription options or search the archive: > > > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > > > > > Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software > > > Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training > > > http://www.figleaf.com > > > http://training.figleaf.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > j:pn > > http://www.lennel.org > > _______________________________________________ > > [email protected] > > To change your subscription options or search the archive: > > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > > > Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software > > Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training > > http://www.figleaf.com > > http://training.figleaf.com > > > > > > -- > http://danny-t.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > [email protected] > To change your subscription options or search the archive: > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software > Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training > http://www.figleaf.com > http://training.figleaf.com > -- [ JPG ] _______________________________________________ [email protected] To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com _______________________________________________ [email protected] To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
