Completely unrelated conclusion, there is no relation between charging 10 hours for one hour of work and reusing standard components or not. If I follow your line of reasoning you say that because you are so good and can complete it in an hour instead of where someone else would take 10 it allows you to charge the 10 hours instead of the one?
I think a couple of things are related here: - what did you communicate to your client? If you say this will cost you $300 and we use a standard component, and this is involved, these are the consequences blahblah and he agrees well good for you, I don't see a problem here (you agree on a fixed price). If you finish it in 1 lucky you, if you spent 20, too bad - if you tell your client I'll sent you an invoice after its done based on hours invested, and you spent 1 but send an invoice for 20, it's being dishonest. I'm all for making money too but honesty does not exclude making money. Honesty does not exclude smart either :). - your wages. If you are so damn good that you finish things in 1 hour instead of 10, one of the places this should be reflected is your wage. That why you charge $100 an hour instead of $10 for example. That's why people come to you, because you're that fast and good. Of course this might differ per location and how much competition there is:) My 2 cnts, super duper honesty has nothing to do with it. On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Carl Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> The comment about a client being 'none the wiser' and the implication that >> you're just making the extra dough by handing off some crap someone else did >> is what's not cool. >> >> The point was, if you're repackaging something that someone already did >> without any value add, then that's dishonest. Hands down, end of story. > > > > then stop using Flash and create your own programming language while your at > it...if you want to be completely"honest". > > You pay a fee to use Flash, you also can pay a fee to use an extension > (read:component) inside of flash... speaking of components, I hope you don't > use the datagrid component either. But hey, go ahead and waste all of your > time and program your own - reinvent the wheel, go for it, be super duper > "honest".... sheeesh. If tools are available to help you finish your work in > as little amount of time and with limited amount of de-bugging needed, then > use them.... my point was/is to maximize your dollar to time ratio. If you > quote someone $350 dollars for a project and you finish it in an hour, you > can say you make $350 an hour... but if it takes you 40 hours to do the same > job you make $8.75 an hour. I'm pretty sure that is minimum wage and you > might as well go work for Burger King. I don't know about anyone else here, > but I'm not in this business to make minimum wage. I have mouths to feed. > Dollar to time ratio, baby, that's what its all about when you're a > freelancer and I'm a one man sweat shop. No matter what you say or think, > you have to be a smart business person too as a good developer/designer. > > And for the record I am not affiliated in anyway with slideshowpro. I just > think the user interface is about as clean as they come and clients love > it... but then again, a lot of clients love powerpoint... so, whatever. > > > > On Nov 14, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Jon Bradley wrote: > >> >> On Nov 14, 2008, at 12:27 PM, Carl Welch wrote: >> >>> using tools of the trade is far from ripping clients off. Ridiculous >>> statement. >> >> >> It's not ridiculous at all. Read my reply to my initial email where I >> elaborated a bit more. >> >> The comment about a client being 'none the wiser' and the implication that >> you're just making the extra dough by handing off some crap someone else did >> is what's not cool. >> >> The point was, if you're repackaging something that someone already did >> without any value add, then that's dishonest. Hands down, end of story. >> >> - j >> _______________________________________________ >> Flashcoders mailing list >> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com >> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > -- > Carl Welch > http://www.carlwelch.com > http://www.jointjam.com > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 805.403.4819 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > _______________________________________________ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
