But having the power to access to the server through FTP doesnt make the coder a good guy either :)
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 4:51 PM, laurent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Having no contract does not make the none payer a good guy, he apparently > does not want to pay. And if he have problems I guess the coder have too, so > he should deal with his own stuff as we do here and if he can't he should > commnicate about it. But I don't think the problem is here. The best thing > is to call a lawyer that will get in contact with him, you won't even have > to get to court, the guy will pay straight away. As far as he can't handle > dirty hands I guess...but you will win. > > L > > Helmut Granda a écrit : > > Im with Doctor H here, >> >> We don't know the details or both parties information about the project, >> if >> you are a freelancer/contractor this might harm you in the long run. >> Granted, you might get the money you are owed but in the end of the day it >> might be 1+ (many more) possible non clients. Remember that the bad press >> travels a lot faster than good rep and good rep is always hard to come by. >> >> If I read correctly you don't have a written contract which in the end is >> also a bad practice and you have to take your losses. >> >> On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:13 PM, dr.ache <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Have you ever thought about what that makes for your image? >>> I would encourage you to stay polite and willing to accept their delay as >>> long >>> as it is possible for you. You can deny to work with this client in the >>> future anyways >>> but do not threaten somebody with court or anything before there is no >>> other way around. >>> >>> Have always in mind that there can be a reason you could not even imagine >>> behind that >>> delay. You are dealing with people - just try to image this guy really >>> has >>> problems and >>> dont want you to know about that, or anybody else. When you take him to >>> the >>> court you >>> might get your money but a very very bad image in the head of that >>> guy,too. >>> >>> The other way round - if he finally pays you and he saw that you are >>> flexible he might >>> recommend you the next time. Have the good parts about people in mind, >>> dont >>> make >>> assumtions. >>> >>> My cents... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Pete Hotchkiss schrieb: >>> >>> Eamons point about the computer misuse act is not strictly true - you >>> >>> >>>> own the site unless a contract exists explicitly licensing full >>>> ownership of everything up payment completion. >>>> >>>> My advise however is to leave the site up and get Thomas Higgins on the >>>> case. He's BRILLIANT and has a ni on 100% record for recovering debts. >>>> He's completely ruthless and gets results >>>> >>>> http://www.thomas-higgins.co.uk/ >>>> >>>> Trust me - use these guys and you'll have you money before the month is >>>> out >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Piers >>>> Cowburn >>>> Sent: 08 December 2008 11:51 >>>> To: Flash Coders List >>>> Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for. >>>> >>>> I've been in this situation before and done the same as Paul, it ended >>>> up going to a small claims court and the client didn't even turn up for >>>> the hearing. I got paid and the costs were covered by the client. >>>> >>>> Piers >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8 Dec 2008, at 11:38, Paul Steven wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Stephen >>>>> >>>>> I had a similar situation about a year ago and in this case I had no >>>>> contract but just emails from the client agreeing on the cost for the >>>>> work. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway I simply made a claim via >>>>> https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco2/index.jsp and I won my case. It >>>>> was >>>>> really simple and will cost you nothing as you get all your costs paid >>>>> for >>>>> by the customer if you win. >>>>> >>>>> I would be reluctant to take the site down as doing so will then mean >>>>> the >>>>> customer has nothing to pay for. By leaving the site up and running, >>>>> you >>>>> have fulfilled your obligations. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway good luck!! >>>>> >>>>> Paul >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >>>>> Stephen >>>>> Matthews >>>>> Sent: 08 December 2008 11:03 >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for. >>>>> >>>>> What are my rights ( in the UK ) for taking down a site which has not >>>>> been paid for? >>>>> >>>>> The owner of the company is happy with his site, but is not coughing >>>>> up. >>>>> >>>>> I still have FTP access. >>>>> >>>>> He says the site took too long, and makes lots of excuses for not >>>>> paying >>>>> - which do not tally. >>>>> He changed the site drastically at least three times - I think it took >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> too long too, due to this. >>>>> He is updating the news section and other sections whenever he has new >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> material. >>>>> >>>>> I would be interested in your thoughts. >>>>> >>>>> This person won an award for being a top business man this year - is >>>>> this >>>>> what you have to do to be a top business man - screw people? >>>>> >>>>> I am not the kind of person to take this action really, but I may >>>>> consider it. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> S >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Flashcoders mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Flashcoders mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Flashcoders mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>>> This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. >>>> For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email >>>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Flashcoders mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Flashcoders mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Flashcoders mailing list > [email protected] > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > -- ...helmut _______________________________________________ Flashcoders mailing list [email protected] http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
