the thing about going through a specialised debt collecting solicitor is that they start very polite - they usually have 2 rounds of letters to send to the client before they start getting heavy and to be honest, if it comes to that, you're better off without the client
a bad client will be more trouble than the work is worth, even in troubled times. They will abuse your relationship, demand unreasonable amounts of unpaid extra work and monopolise your time so that you start to neglect your good-paying clients and probably start to ask for long-time client discounts (like you owe them something for giving you the work). Saying that you might lose possible future work would sound like a blessing with a client like that i have had a client like this and if i'd known about the debt collectors, i'd have phoned them in a shot. a On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 2:19 AM, Helmut Granda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > But having the power to access to the server through FTP doesnt make the > coder a good guy either :) > > On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 4:51 PM, laurent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Having no contract does not make the none payer a good guy, he apparently > > does not want to pay. And if he have problems I guess the coder have too, > so > > he should deal with his own stuff as we do here and if he can't he should > > commnicate about it. But I don't think the problem is here. The best > thing > > is to call a lawyer that will get in contact with him, you won't even > have > > to get to court, the guy will pay straight away. As far as he can't > handle > > dirty hands I guess...but you will win. > > > > L > > > > Helmut Granda a écrit : > > > > Im with Doctor H here, > >> > >> We don't know the details or both parties information about the project, > >> if > >> you are a freelancer/contractor this might harm you in the long run. > >> Granted, you might get the money you are owed but in the end of the day > it > >> might be 1+ (many more) possible non clients. Remember that the bad > press > >> travels a lot faster than good rep and good rep is always hard to come > by. > >> > >> If I read correctly you don't have a written contract which in the end > is > >> also a bad practice and you have to take your losses. > >> > >> On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:13 PM, dr.ache <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> Have you ever thought about what that makes for your image? > >>> I would encourage you to stay polite and willing to accept their delay > as > >>> long > >>> as it is possible for you. You can deny to work with this client in the > >>> future anyways > >>> but do not threaten somebody with court or anything before there is no > >>> other way around. > >>> > >>> Have always in mind that there can be a reason you could not even > imagine > >>> behind that > >>> delay. You are dealing with people - just try to image this guy really > >>> has > >>> problems and > >>> dont want you to know about that, or anybody else. When you take him to > >>> the > >>> court you > >>> might get your money but a very very bad image in the head of that > >>> guy,too. > >>> > >>> The other way round - if he finally pays you and he saw that you are > >>> flexible he might > >>> recommend you the next time. Have the good parts about people in mind, > >>> dont > >>> make > >>> assumtions. > >>> > >>> My cents... > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Pete Hotchkiss schrieb: > >>> > >>> Eamons point about the computer misuse act is not strictly true - you > >>> > >>> > >>>> own the site unless a contract exists explicitly licensing full > >>>> ownership of everything up payment completion. > >>>> > >>>> My advise however is to leave the site up and get Thomas Higgins on > the > >>>> case. He's BRILLIANT and has a ni on 100% record for recovering debts. > >>>> He's completely ruthless and gets results > >>>> > >>>> http://www.thomas-higgins.co.uk/ > >>>> > >>>> Trust me - use these guys and you'll have you money before the month > is > >>>> out > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Piers > >>>> Cowburn > >>>> Sent: 08 December 2008 11:51 > >>>> To: Flash Coders List > >>>> Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for. > >>>> > >>>> I've been in this situation before and done the same as Paul, it ended > >>>> up going to a small claims court and the client didn't even turn up > for > >>>> the hearing. I got paid and the costs were covered by the client. > >>>> > >>>> Piers > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 8 Dec 2008, at 11:38, Paul Steven wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Hi Stephen > >>>>> > >>>>> I had a similar situation about a year ago and in this case I had no > >>>>> contract but just emails from the client agreeing on the cost for the > >>>>> work. > >>>>> > >>>>> Anyway I simply made a claim via > >>>>> https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco2/index.jsp and I won my case. It > >>>>> was > >>>>> really simple and will cost you nothing as you get all your costs > paid > >>>>> for > >>>>> by the customer if you win. > >>>>> > >>>>> I would be reluctant to take the site down as doing so will then mean > >>>>> the > >>>>> customer has nothing to pay for. By leaving the site up and running, > >>>>> you > >>>>> have fulfilled your obligations. > >>>>> > >>>>> Anyway good luck!! > >>>>> > >>>>> Paul > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > >>>>> Stephen > >>>>> Matthews > >>>>> Sent: 08 December 2008 11:03 > >>>>> To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > >>>>> Subject: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for. > >>>>> > >>>>> What are my rights ( in the UK ) for taking down a site which has not > >>>>> been paid for? > >>>>> > >>>>> The owner of the company is happy with his site, but is not coughing > >>>>> up. > >>>>> > >>>>> I still have FTP access. > >>>>> > >>>>> He says the site took too long, and makes lots of excuses for not > >>>>> paying > >>>>> - which do not tally. > >>>>> He changed the site drastically at least three times - I think it > took > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> too long too, due to this. > >>>>> He is updating the news section and other sections whenever he has > new > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> material. > >>>>> > >>>>> I would be interested in your thoughts. > >>>>> > >>>>> This person won an award for being a top business man this year - is > >>>>> this > >>>>> what you have to do to be a top business man - screw people? > >>>>> > >>>>> I am not the kind of person to take this action really, but I may > >>>>> consider it. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks > >>>>> > >>>>> S > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Flashcoders mailing list > >>>>> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > >>>>> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Flashcoders mailing list > >>>>> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > >>>>> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Flashcoders mailing list > >>>> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > >>>> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > >>>> > >>>> ______________________________________________________________________ > >>>> This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > >>>> For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > >>>> ______________________________________________________________________ > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Flashcoders mailing list > >>>> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > >>>> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Flashcoders mailing list > >>> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > >>> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Flashcoders mailing list > > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > > > > > -- > ...helmut > _______________________________________________ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > _______________________________________________ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
