On 10/19/12 11 :57AM, "Om" <bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>It is not about 7 RCs. The 7th RC just got enough votes and we are going >to promote it to an actual release. > >Close to 20 people voted +1 and we got 2 -1s. As a release manager, I >think this is good enough for a release. True you got 20 votes but how many of those people were running on a non-English platform? Not me. I'm not going to change my vote but if I was the release manager I would seriously consider fixing it now. I would make sure I understood what the user experience would be in this situation. I think first impressions matter a lot. Given all the interest we have in locales it is clear we have many non-English users. Carol > >The issue is not blocker since there is an obvious workaround. And there >are no security implications. > >I would rather release now than wait for yet another arbitrary deadline >(4.8.1) > >Thanks, >Om >On Oct 19, 2012 8:06 AM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com> wrote: > >> I'm not going to change my vote at this point, but consider these >>points: >> >> 1) Why would doing a point release right after be less work and get more >> involvement? >> 2) Why do we think we will get two other mentor/IPMC votes if they >>review >> the dev-list and see this issue? >> 3) Why do we think we will get mentor/IPMC attention again right away >>with >> a >> follow-up point release >> 4) I have seen this issue twice in English, but wasn't able to reproduce >> it. >> 5) I would rather the next installer release coincide with a new Apache >> Flex >> SDK release like a 4.8.1 in a month or so from now. >> >> To me, 7 RC's is not a lot. Sometimes, important bugs get found late in >> the >> game. Sure, it is frustrating, but you will certainly get enough PPMC >> votes >> on an RC8. However, right now we are waiting on getting IPMC votes and >>I >> don't know why they would vote just to get something out the door if it >> isn't handling strings properly. >> >> >> On 10/19/12 5:51 AM, "Stefan Horochovec" <stefan.horocho...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > Hello everybody, >> > >> > The installer works, as I spent the walkthrough in JIRA and in my last >> > email, that information may be contained on the page to access the >> > Installer. >> > >> > I upgraded my vote to -1 because I have found a bug. I shared the same >> > opinion of Christophe Herreman, it´s my opinion too. Where he said: >> > >> > "I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will lead >>to >> > frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache Flex to >>the >> > users." >> > >> > But I also agree with you that we need this release which is being >> awaited >> > for so long, and for sure will help many people to have the new Apache >> Flex >> > SDK. >> > >> > Erik and Om >> > >> > I opened a ticket [1] in JIRA with the comparison of the translations >>of >> > languages available today, and put them separate group with all the >> > messages. I would suggest this as the default for new messages, to >>make >> it >> > easier to find what should be done the translation, because when you >>add >> a >> > new key, you can already tag them in an area of translation for each >> > language. The work of comparing one by one consuming too much time. >> > >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33224 >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > Stefan Horochovec >> > >> > >> > 2012/10/19 Christophe Herreman <christophe.herre...@gmail.com> >> > >> >> OK all, thanks for the feedback. I agree that we need to release >>often >> and >> >> early, although in certain cases it doesn't feel quite right. >> >> >> >> Since there are no blocking issues, a release is justified I guess. >> >> >> >> +1 (binding) >> >> >> >> regards, >> >> Christophe >> >> >> >> 2012/10/19 Om <bigosma...@gmail.com> >> >> >> >>> This issue will be fixed in the next release. >> >>> >> >>> I know and agree that this is not perfect, but we cannot delay a >> release >> >>> till we get everything perfect. We will never release anything if >>we >> >> wait >> >>> to fix every issue that we discover. >> >>> >> >>> This is not a release blocker issue, nor does it have security >> >>> implications. We cannot delay the release any longer especially >>after >> so >> >>> many people have voted for the release. >> >>> >> >>> The patch has been contributed and it will be committed asap. We >>will >> be >> >>> making a follow up release soon. Also, we are shipping with an auto >> >> update >> >>> mechanism that will ensure that folks get the subsequent releases >>for >> >> sure. >> >>> >> >>> Thanks, >> >>> Om >> >>> On Oct 19, 2012 1:57 AM, "Christophe Herreman" < >> >>> christophe.herre...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Sorry about this, but why would you release the installer in it's >> >> current >> >>>> state? I know there is a lot of "pressure" and excitement to get >>this >> >>>> released, but there are currently clearly some bigger issues with >>the >> >>>> proposed RC in terms of translations. >> >>>> >> >>>> IMO it's better to delay the release until the most serious issues >>are >> >>>> fixed than to release now, knowing that it will cause problems for >> >>> (perhaps >> >>>> a minor part of ) the users. >> >>>> >> >>>> I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will >>lead to >> >>>> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache Flex to >> the >> >>>> users. >> >>>> >> >>>> kind regards, >> >>>> Christophe >> >>>> >> >>>> 2012/10/19 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com> >> >>>> >> >>>>> Yes...please, release.... >> >>>>> >> >>>>> 2012/10/19 Omar Gonzalez <omarg.develo...@gmail.com>: >> >>>>>> Release, release, release!!! >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -omar >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Thursday, October 18, 2012, Erik de Bruin wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Stefan, >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I understand the problem, and I see the implications. That's >>why I >> >>>>>>> push for a quick "point" update AFTER this release, to adress >>this >> >>> and >> >>>>>>> other known issues. In fact, I'll enter your fix into the source >> >>> this >> >>>>>>> weekend, if it checks out. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> However, I sense that after 7 (!) release candidates, a kind of >> >>> 'vote >> >>>>>>> fatigue' is setting in. By this I mean that if we do another >>RC, I >> >>>>>>> think we might not get enough votes just because people will not >> >>>>>>> bother to enter theirs again (and again, and again). >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I therefor recommend that we use the votes we now have to do a >> >>>> release. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> EdB >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Stefan Horochovec >> >>>>>>> <stefan.horocho...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> Erik >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> It's possible to run the installer in operating systems that >> >> have >> >>>>>>> language >> >>>>>>>> available on Installer and that is different from en_US, >> >> however, >> >>>>> have to >> >>>>>>>> be done the process of changing the language of the installer >> >> for >> >>>>> en_US. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> If you try to install and don't change the language to en_US, >> >> the >> >>>>>>>> installation dont work. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Log of installation (sorry, in portuguese): >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Buscado o espelho da URL de download do SDK a partir do CGI. >> >>>>>>>> Criando diretório do Apache Flex >> >>>>>>>> Criando diretório temporário >> >>>>>>>> Não foi possível criar o diretório temporário >> >>>>>>>> Instalação abortada >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> And here you can see the steps: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> 1 - >> >>>>> >>https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549807/step1.png >> >>>>>>>> 2 - >> >>>>> >>https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549808/step2.png >> >>>>>>>> 3 - >> >>>>> >>https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549809/step3.png >> >>>>>>>> 4 - >> >>>>> >>https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549810/step4.png >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> In my opinion, this is a very critical problem, a time may come >> >>> that >> >>>>>>> affect >> >>>>>>>> a large number of people. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Erik de Bruin <e...@ixsoftware.nl> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Stefan, >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Thank you for your contribution! As we discussed, I'll look >> >> into >> >>>> your >> >>>>>>>>> patches as soon as I can, and I'm sure they will prove valid >> >> and >> >>>>>>>>> useful. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Would you agree that if we do an update soon, lack of true >> >>>>>>>>> internationalisation shouldn't be a deal breaker for this >>first >> >>>>>>>>> release? >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> EdB >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 5:18 AM, Stefan Horochovec >> >>>>>>>>> <stefan.horocho...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> -1 >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> My first test was done in an environment in English, but >> >> when I >> >>>>>>> changed >> >>>>>>>>> my >> >>>>>>>>>> OS to my local language (Portuguese), to test the >> >> translations, >> >>>> the >> >>>>>>>>> result >> >>>>>>>>>> was not good. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> In step where are defined which license will be accepted, >> >> just >> >>> no >> >>>>>>> option >> >>>>>>>>> on >> >>>>>>>>>> the left appears only when the switch is made the selected >> >>>>> language. >> >>>>>>> Ex: >> >>>>>>>>>> change to english, and then go back to my default language. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I submitted the bug in JIRA, and also submitted a patch >> >> (which >> >>> if >> >>>>>>>>> accepted) >> >>>>>>>>>> causes the installer to load the translation of default >> >>> language >> >>>> of >> >>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>> installer and then load the installation user's language, so >> >>> when >> >>>>>>> getting >> >>>>>>>>>> some text missing will interface with all texts, some not >> >>>>> translated. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> This whole environment is only valid when the Installer is >> >>>> launched >> >>>>>>> on an >> >>>>>>>>>> operating system that contains a translation and the same is >> >>>>> detected >> >>>>>>> by >> >>>>>>>>>> the installer before being read keys for translation into >> >>>> English. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33223 >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/18 Om <bigosma...@gmail.com> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Sounds good. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I will wait one more day for Dave Fisher to vote here. >> >> After >> >>>>> that I >> >>>>>>>>> will >> >>>>>>>>>>> post the vote thread on general. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >> >>>>>>>>>>> Om >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Carol Frampton < >> >>>>> cfram...@adobe.com >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> Carlos Rovira >> >>>>> Director de Tecnología >> >>>>> M: +34 607 22 60 05 >> >>>>> F: +34 912 35 57 77 >> >>>>> http://www.codeoscopic.com >> >>>>> http://www.directwriter.es >> >>>>> http://www.avant2.es >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Christophe Herreman >> >>>> http://www.herrodius.com >> >>>> http://www.springactionscript.org >> >>>> http://www.as3commons.org >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Christophe Herreman >> >> http://www.herrodius.com >> >> http://www.springactionscript.org >> >> http://www.as3commons.org >> >> >> >> -- >> Alex Harui >> Flex SDK Team >> Adobe Systems, Inc. >> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui >> >>
